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I have been diagnosed as bipolar and don't feel like the diagnosis fits I have however been taking various drugs to control psychotic episodes I am curious if there are Star people who have worked through a so-called illness like this, successfully with out western medicine and what techniques they have used in order to sleep well and not go off the deep end.
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Re: Medicine for people with bipolar
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 4:32 PMaloha Katrina,
perhaps you can share some detail regarding the 'psychotic' episodes and of your understanding as to the meaning of 'bi-polar'... there is certainly much to be said that will not be understood by the majority of mainstream doctors at this timing.
.. not least that you are unconditionally loved all-ways.
:)
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Sun, October 18, 2009 - 5:27 PMaloha Nick,
Thank you for your quick response. After 4 days off of my drugs I start feeling light and free and silly and I start to be a bit inappropriate and carefree. I start to not sleep as much and have troubles concentrating and my judgement fails I have a hard time making decisions. I become irritable and unsure sometimes but also inspired to write more to laugh. I have a supportive husband but he feels that taking my drugs is the way to being whole. I want to know if there is something I could do to be grounded and whole with out the seroquil that I take every evening. -
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Sun, October 18, 2009 - 5:46 PMok well I can provide you with a perspective which is very challenging to those that like to define in terms of symptomology and 'rightness/wrongness'.. i.e. defining 'normal'.
Which is that society and particularly those that 'define normal' within medical circles have often omitted to understand and allow that what they call 'normal' is FAR from healthy/normal and indeed from mine and many other people's perspective there is as much mental dis-ease within the establishment as there is among patients (the 2 attract each other in a way).
Where the issue is one of 'normalcy' with regard to 'what is acceptable in polite society' it is often that one of the core points of focus is related to the fear of being 'abnormal' which can trigger feelings and thoughts in other people who are not so aware of themselves and who hold much of themselves in a state of self-suppression... in other words, when someone 'acts unusually' it triggers all the subtle thoughts we have about our own 'rightness' that we prefer not to look at and so we project onto other people that they are 'wrong'.. The truth is that a balanced person understands that we are essentially never 'wrong' to be as we are and thus any comparison to 'normal' made by one person to another is generally always a way of sub consciously assuring our own insecurities... There are so many rules and regulations in the average western person's mind about 'what is right/correct/appropriate' etc. that the mind becomes crippled and fears change and variation.
This is all just one facet of what I believe may be helpful and is mainly focussing on the removal of stigma and judgement.
psychosis is defined generally as 'disconnection from reality'.. however, again this is a judgement of sorts made by people who do not understand themselves and life anywhere near as completely as their salaries might suggest! psychosis IS its own reality and thus the entire definition of it goes out the window.
my advice is really to go easy on yourself, explore a thorough detoxification of body to aid and assist energetic balancing and 'house cleaning', consider yoga if you have never tried it.
very often it is our definitions and beliefs/judgements about ourselves which result in 'the rollercoaster' of bi-polar and 'the dark cave' of psychosis. both are great teachers if you allow them to be... cennnttteeeerrr... :)
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Sun, October 18, 2009 - 8:59 PMBE REALLY CAREFUL WHEN QUITTING PHARMS SUDDENLY
SEE TRIBE: DEPRESSION HELP
Nick is hit or miss on this one
diet is most important: fuel
but if cannot be acclimated properly
big problem
then you also have the mental aspect
i wrote three books on this very subject
but don't bother holding your breath
waiting
but say of the 6, 7 billion people on this earth
and the millions and millions of so called experts...
i consider the self
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Sun, October 18, 2009 - 9:05 PMdetox: don't bother with organic; it's a destroyed industry
friends that grow own is best: gardens, greenhouse, etc
mushrooms, sprouts best
for example: minnesota bushel boy
has tomatoes and leaf lettuce that is still real
but hydroponic
which is tons better than dead
detox is critical
there is one way that is really sort of
fun
the others...you work till work don't work no more...
just a parody with words
quit taking all vitamins from bottles also
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Sun, October 18, 2009 - 10:05 PMive been throuhg this, hospitalization, bipolar 1 diagnosis, heavy medload, etc. for me, its been n opportunity to delve deeper into spirituality and meditation and learning about myself, i worked with the docs and the meds stating my intention to get off of them and working on tchniques of self control and habit changing through the use of certain cognitive behavioral techniques, meditation, making inventories of events thats wud trigger episodes, lookin at wut i was thinkin and feelin at the time of those episodes.
for meditation i wud come to use a combination of relaxation, focus, and observation techniques to deal with mania depression or study myself and wut makes me tick in the moment of a serious up or down. again, doing all of this has lowered my meds down to a small dosage of depekote and a sense of groundedness and direction i lacked before, or at least being ok withnot having that sense all the time.
Also, it was hard but cuttin out the heavy use of alcohol or other drugs not prescribed by the doc was a big help too
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 7:44 PMHello Katrina~
In the medicine Seroquel, Seorine and Dopamines are being treated.
An alternative to rx drugs, is nutrition to the body parts.
Here is a bit of information.
Amino Acids.
www.fi.edu/learn/brain/proteins.html
List of amino acids
www.nutritional-supplements-health-guide.com
More:
www.home-remedies-digest.com/ami...html
Note: Tryptophan
Note: Tyrosine
There are also what can be called Super Foods (concentrated nutrition's) that can help regenerate when a body has gotten chronic.
This is just one example of a product, for ADD
www.add-adhd-help-center.com/att....htm
There are many many stress management technics, like music for one!
Nutrition is so very important too.
As you said, Grounding is important .
Being IN our bodies, ...
Being in Nature is a good way to help ground , literally :)
and true: do not just STOP taking the rx meds. It has to be done slowly as per doctors instructions.
Best to you and all~ -
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Re: Medicine for people with bipolar
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 9:22 AMI made a typo...
the word I meant to type is "Serotonin"
"Serotonin" and Dopamines are being treated.
The rx meds preform as Reuptake Inhibitors
( this causes the body to make more of it's Own Chemicals)
www.mayoclinic.com/health/a...s/MH00067
Note again:
Amino acids:
Note: Tryptophan
Note: Tyrosine
Food Examples:
Tryptophan
nuts, seeds, bananas, soybeans and More here:
www.whfoods.com/genpage.php
Tyrosine
Soy products, chicken, turkey, fish, peanuts, almonds, avocados, bananas, milk, cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, lima beans, pumpkin seeds, and sesame seeds.
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 1:00 PMre: RAW
not WAR
and do not forget the tribe: DEPRESSION HELP -
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 1:04 PMAND quit the filthy flesh
no reason to butcher and eat -
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 3:27 PMI'm not bipolar, but I have a diagnosed anxiety issue;
and I found I manage it and mood swings better when I control my sugar and carbo intake-
Especially sodas! I love them but they are like cocaine for me, had to switch to club soda~ -
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Re: Medicine for people with bipolar
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 5:25 PMbetter yet
make your own
and use pure water
but these times we enter into are full of
depression and anxiety
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 11:34 AMI for one can appreciate Sea Star providing a wealth of information to read up on. I think all to often such threads (and questions) posed by the OP end up having people diagnose the illness with little or NO medical training. Personally I find this more than a little problematic regardless of where the many opinions are derived from.
Though not the only option I've always been inclined to seek an second opinion if what I've been told by a medical professional doesn't seem to resonate with me insofar as any diagnosis is concerned. -
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 12:07 PMthat's why i thought it best she elaborate a little before offering any kind of 'fix'.. after all, she really has said very little..
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 7:20 PMpp: end up having people diagnose the illness with little or NO medical training.
1134am
REALLY? THE WHOLE PSYCHIATRIC PROFESSION HAS BEEN FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET
and by their own admission.
you and cali holding hands i see...
what a fucking
pair
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 2:06 AMwhy you gotta be so stupid roger? off with his head! -
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Re: Medicine for people with bipolar
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 5:36 AMget a grip
dude
you do not even know
which
one
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 2:02 PMThank you for sharing your...entertaining perspective Roger.
I'm sure ALL of us now better informed. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 3:34 PMinformed?
you wish.
i just hope for
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:19 AMlet you food be your medicine...
but of course, it must be live, not cooked
and you must grow it
yourself
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 7:10 AMwhat is the key to pure blood roger? -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 7:14 AMclean blood -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 7:28 AMcut the shit out, or at least with me
where does the shit begin and where does it end
i will tell you where it begins...and where all flu begins
congestion
congestion is caused by mucous
too much, and you die
what causes mucous? the shit you eat: milk, ice cream, deep fried and wrong combinations of food
or overeating
the immune system...
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:47 AMi don't consume dairy (though i had some cheese the other day :S) so i've got that part covered..
but i don't know anything about right food combinations.. except something about mixing nuts and legumes to form a complete protein or something..?
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:44 PMfit for life: diamonds warner books
is the best book out there
diet is the beginning
you can live without food, but not air
knowing and doing the right thing
are almost opposites
anything positive is good
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:48 PMyeah knowing what is right and forgoing implementation is self-defeating and EVIL :P
what about prayer and meditation; can they purify blood?
what are the symptoms of unclean blood, or are they countless? does body pH level have anything to do with all this talk? -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:22 PMph is of ultimate importance
you sure bring up some clever questions
the mental aspect is quite critical
and a bit more tricky
cut: you cannot beat fasting
but takes lots of practice and experiments
but the most important: emotion...
and the present knowledge, books, courses fall far short
all you really need is one book: THE ESSENE GOSPEL OF PEACE
JESUS REALIZED AND TAUGHT PROPER FOOD COMBINING
if you want to go into the physiology: FIT FOR LIFE by diamonds
i think that is the best selling book and that was published more than twenty years ago -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:24 PMconcentrate on the
water -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:51 PMi wish i could afford alkaline water more often.. maybe i should buy some kind of system for that ro something i dunno -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 11:00 PMwish i had the time
try fermentation tribe too
this world has been purposely poisoned...
the water, the air, the food, the 'medicine'...
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:50 PMhve you a synopsis please of Fit For Life? or a valuable extract.. and from the Essene Gospel of Peace too of course~ a clue as to why they're so valuable in your opinion
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 5:37 PMhey Katrina i'd like to help too but i agree that what is most important is your understanding of your imbalance.. in what ways do you feel out of sorts (both now that you're on these drugs, and what inspired your diagnosis)?
in the meantime if you're having trouble sleeping (?) your nervous system and endocrine functioning needs some TLC
take care -
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 5:44 PMpp: hey Katrina i'd like to help too but... 537pm
sure...
cali? taint vs poison
how is it you propose to assist another when you can not find the
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 6:36 PMbeat it, roger
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 10:38 PMdamn you're mean, roger! -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 7:23 PMMy speech tends to rambling,loose,mildly tangential,and a little disorganized. I also tend to speak rapidly. That type of speech is called cluttering too,and its found to be common in people with neuro-divergent conditions like Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those speech irregularities that got me to be misdiagnosed as schizoffective bipolar disorder by psychiatrists. As a neuro-diversity advocate, I try to help raise awareness about speech problems and how they are not connected to low intelligence and that they can be connected to neuro-divergence and that care needs to be taken to not misdiagnose them as having schizophrenia or bipolar. My mother told me that my father had the same speech problems.
I feel that psychiatrists and other mental health professionals need to consider learning disabilities when patients have mental health problems. I have a long history of anxiety and depression,and not one single mental health professional even considered that I had learning disabilities. I believe that there should be screening for learning disabilities in people with mental health problems...especially if they have a history of low self esteem, insecurity,hypersensitivity to criticism that includes feelings of intellectual inadequacy.
Psychiatrists really need to have their patients tested
psychologically and neurologically in order to differentiate learning disabilities from psychiatric disorders. Poor coordination,left/right confusion,memory issues,disorganization,and speech irregularities are not just symptoms of psychotic disorders but they are also symptoms of learning
disabilities. It was these issues that got me misdiagnosed as a schizoaffective bipolar in 1999. They never did any psychological testing nor neurological testing.
Aspergers is listed as one of the conditions misdiagnosed Bipolar in the book,THE BIPOLAR CHILD by The Definitive and Reassuring Guide to
Childhood's Most Misunderstood Disorder by Demitri Papolos M.D.,Janice Papolos, Janice Papolos,Janice Papolos. I actually copied the characteristics of Bipolar children and gave alternative explanations that could be linked to neurodivergent conditions. One of the common characteristics of bipolar children listed in the book was learning disabilities which pretty much supports my belief that a lot of learning disabled are getting diagnosed as having bipolar. One of the very common characteristics of bipolar are oversensitivity to environmental influences,and learning disabled people are highly sensitive. How many learning disabled children act out,misbehave,throw temper tantrums,lash out,pout,and/or cry because they are frustrated,stressed,angry,irritable,and overwhelmed from problems with processing information that leads to being misunderstood,teased,ridiculed,and criticized. A whole lot. I definitely was no different. Where is the common sense in regards to learning disabled children having secondary psychological symptoms? It just seems like there is very little of it. Learning disabled children grow up to be learning disabled adults,and many of them have secondary psychological problems. I definitely was no different. There is definitely a significant overlap between learning disabilities and mental health problems.
SYMPTOMS AND BEHAVIORAL TRAITS IN BIPOLAR CHILDREN from the book, THE
BIPOLAR CHILD
www.amazon.com/Bipolar-Ch...pd_bbs_sr_1
AND ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATIONS by me Not all of the symptoms have
alternative explanations Just the ones that I feel can be explained
as challenging life experiences as a learning disabled person
All the descriptions after the hyphen are my alternative explanations ......looking at it from the neurodivergent perspective and not the neurotypical pespective
VERY COMMON
Separation Anxiety - fear of and don't want to go to school, fear of
being around people that will look down on him or her, don't want to
be away from the only people that love,respect,understand and doesn't ridicule him or her, fear of being bullied at school or other places
Rages and explosive temper tantrums lasting up to several hours -
being provoked, frustration, being picked on, teased, bullied
Marked irritability - being provoked,frustration, being picked on,
stress, being teased, bullied
Oppositional behavior - Frustration, being picked on, teased, bullied,
fighting against what is thought to be wrong, standing up for self,
wishing to make his or her point known and have others understand it,passion in him or her to fight injustices
Rapid cycling (frequent mood swings, occurring within an hour, a day,or several days) or mood lability - Frustration, being picked on,
stress, high sensitivity
Distractibility - reactions to external stimuli, high sensitivity,
excessive concentration leading to the stopping of focus from being
tired, preoccupied with what's happening inside
Hyperactivity - anxiety build up, nervousness, excitement, increased
stress,poor or low frustration tolerance,high energy,quick mind
Impulsivity - being provoked, being picked on, teased, bullied,
stress, impatience
Restlessness/fidgetiness - impatience, wanting to get away from people that are making them uneasy, sensitivity to flourescent and bright lights, bored, anxiety, nervousness,stress
Silliness, giddiness, goofiness - humor as an escape from stress,
"make fun of yourself before they make fun of you", be the class clown so people lay off him or her
Racing thoughts - nonstop worrying, accumulation of preoccupied
thoughts that have to do with anxiety and nervousness, quick mind
Aggressive behavior - being provoked,frustration, being picked on,
teased, stress, wishing to make his or her point known and have others understand it, passion in him or her to fight injustices
Grandiosity - Believing in fantasies of being great because they want
to escape from being somebody that everybody
despises,teases,ridicules,and is ashamed of.....believing in fantasy
of being special in a positive way to escape from being special in a
negative way
Carbohydrate cravings - sweets can make the person feel good,
sugar-sensitive
Risk-taking behaviors - frustration, anger, desperation,being
rebellious, going where nobody has gone before .... People who start
their own businesses are risk-takers People who save the lives of
others in dangerous situations are risk-takers... People who fought for equal/civil rights were risk-takers
Depressed mood - frustration, being picked on, low self esteem,
stress, feeling rejected, sadness
Lethargy - sick and tired of having a screwed up life,
hopelessness,giving up "Why bother to do anything? I am stupid any
way. ",mental burnout due to a mind that works much and uses much energy which is the case with dyslexics who use 4.6 times more brain area when doing a simple language task
Low self-esteem - the most common symptom in the learning disabled,
feeling stupid,dumb,or retarded, feeling like he or she won't amount
to anything, feel that he or she doesn't have a future, feeling
ashamed
Difficulty getting up in the morning - doesn't want to go to school,
doesn't want to be picked on, doesn't want to deal with people that
ridicule the person
Social anxiety - afraid to be evaluated or tested, afraid to be seen
as stupid,retard,and inept by others, afraid to make mistakes in front
of people and be seen as an idiot,moron,retarded,and imbecile,
insecurity, being anxious when it comes to their weaknesses......for example if somebody has problems with speech, then they would be anxious about talking in front of people....if somebody has problems with coordination,they would anxious about doing things in front of people that require the use of coordination
Oversensitivity to emotional or environmental triggers - sensory integration issues, just being highly sensitive, being allergic to certain substances, can be particular past emotional triggers like past experiences of physical and verbal abuse, and so the person overreacts when he is hit or being put down
COMMON
Bedwetting (especially in boys) - problems with coordination, stress,
poor muscle control
Night terrors - could be from anticipated harm by others, nightmares
of being ridiculed by others
Rapid or pressured speech - anxiety, nervousness,desperate to be
listened to, eager to be heard, feeling the need to get points
across,being passionate..... people get really tense and agitated
when not being listened to
Excessive Daydreaming - highly imaginative, being bored, fantasizing
about how great if would be to be "normal" and not ridiculed
Obsessional Behavior - preoccupied about doing things that help make him or her be accepted and/or seen as being intelligent and/or
attractive,
Compulsive Behavior - preoccupied about doing things that help make him or her be accepted and/or seen as being intelligent and/or
attractive
Motor and vocal tics - could be from coordination and speech problems.....also can be symptoms of both Tourette's Syndrome and the side effects of antipsychotics
Learning disabilities - THIS IS MY ENTIRE POINT! Dyslexia,
Dyspraxia as well as other neurodivergent conditions like ADD/ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome, Sensory Integration
Disorder, Pervasive Developmental Disability,Autism
Poor short-term memory - typical symptom of learning disabilities and ADHD
Lack of Organization - typical symptom of learning disabilities and ADHD
Fascinating with gore or morbid topics - reading too many Stephen
King novels! hehehehehe
Hypersexuality - resulting from low self esteem, needing lots of
intimacy with a person to make them feel good, past history of sexual
abuse
Manipulative behavior - control issues because of self esteem problems
Extremely bossy behavior with friends/bullying - frustration, being
picked on, low self esteem a person who is bullied might bully
others
Lying - fear of getting in trouble, pretending to be somebody else,
self - protection, anxiety, lack of trust
Suicidal thoughts - shame,frustration, sick and tired of being
teased,picked on, and ridiculed feels like he or she won't amount to
anything, and so he or she feels that he or she doesn't want to live
any more and complicate others' lives, sick and tired of not being
"normal"
Destruction of property - frustration, being picked on, stress,
Paranoia - lack of trust, fear of being exposed, suspicious that the
person cannot be trusted, fear from past experiences from being picked on, feeling persecuted - being picked on, being called names, being bullied, suffering from prejudice
Hallucinations and delusions - religious and spiritual experiences
that are not understood by others, believing that he or she had
pastlives, any perceptions that conflicts with mainstream views
LESS COMMON
Migraine headaches
Bingeing - indulging in food to escape from problems of being picked
on, stress...........a lot of people eat out of depression cannot cope
with problems of dealing with inconsiderate,cruel,and ignorant people
Self-mutilating behaviors - low self esteem issues
Cruelty to animals
Please keep in mind that these people aren't necessarily Bipolar.
They could be misdiagnosed. I feel that anybody can be misdiagnosed Bipolar because Psychiatry is not an infallible science. If you act,feel, look, believe, think and/or talk in a way that differs from the norm, there is a possibility that you will be diagnosed as mentally ill. People with ADHD have been misdiagnosed Bipolar, and so it is not surprising that Dyslexia and Dyspraxia can be misdiagnosed Bipolar because they often have comorbidity with ADHD/ADD.
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 7:31 PMraymo: what about a short, quick, synopsis?
this person here needs something that really works.
you and your psychiastists do not have it; are not even close
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 8:12 PMmy psychiatrists?
wtf
my point was that psychiatrists can misdiagnose neuro-divergent conditions as psychiatric disorders like bipolar
I was misdiagnosed bipolar myself,and so I know personally
many other neuro-divergents(neuological/learning differences) have been misdiagnosed bipolar
the neuro-divergent condition, ADHD is well known for having overlapping symptoms/traits with bipolar children
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 8:13 PMin other words,
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 8:18 PM
here is some stuff on alternative treatment for bipolar
Here is stuff on Bipolar Disorder from Marcia Starck's MEDICAL ASTROLOGY Healing For The 21st Century
She wrote about causes for bipolar symptoms and non-drug alternative remedies for them.
the following is from her book:
Researchers have discovered that food allergies, as well as untreated endocrine problems, may cause severe mood disorders.
In the past, bipolar disorder has been treated through various medications including lithium and antidepressants. Now many doctors agree that the pharmaceuticals available to patient are not always satisfactory. Many patients find that there are serious side effects to the medications; they have to choose between those side effects and learning to manage severe mood swings. Many bipolar women who want to have children, face the choice of undergoing extreme mood swings during pregnancy or risking birth defects in their children, since all of the medications are suspected of being harmful to developing fetuses.
Alternative methods to managing bipolar disorder tend to work in several ways. Some therapies are similar to pharmaceuticals, but with fewer side effects. For example, the herb St. John's Wort can function as an antidepressant. Some alternative methods look to other explanations for what psychiatrists labeled as manic depression, for example, severe food allergies. Certain treatments attempt to improve the overall health so that this will allow the body to effectively fight off mood problems. When all the organs in the body are properly functioning, and the liver and the colon are cleansed, it is more difficult to have reactions from food and other substances that cause mood swings. Most manic depressive patients tend to have problems with candida in their intestinal tract and need to do some cleansing and work with diet.
Excessive stress often depletes zinc and B-6 in the body so that the person becomes "pyroluric" and has excessive mood swings. (Urinary excretion of pyrroles was first connected with psychosis in 1958, when various doctors doing research noted a new substance in the urine of patients undergoing LSD model psychosis. This same substance was also found in the urine of many psychiatric patients who had never taken LSD or other drugs. Since the extracted urine made a lavender color when treated with certain reagents, it was referred to as the "mauve factor." Later, a Canadian physician found that the mauve factor was the chemical, kryptopyrrole. Because kryptopyrrole produces severe deficiencies of B-6 and zinc, those patients with the "mauve factor" were treated with both B-6 and zinc and responded very well. The term "pyroluria" was then coined.)
Women who are premenstrual often become very tense as well as depressed. Before menstruation, blood copper is highest and blood zinc lowest. Copper is a stimulant to the brain, while zinc has an anti-anxiety effect. With adequate zinc and B-6, pre-menstrual tension and depression can be alleviated.
TREATMENTS FOR BIPOLAR DISORDER
1. Obtaining the correct homeopathic constitutional remedy can be very important, as the homeopathic constitutional may replace medications. With the constitutional,natural lithium may not be needed.
2. Cleansing the liver is very important, since the liver detoxifies all chemical substances, as well as anything that may be causing an allergic reaction. In addition, colon cleansing helps the liver and the whole digestive system.
3. Eating a diet that is high in dark leafy green vegetables is important. They have a high nutritional content and also help to cleanse the liver. It is necessary to avoid sugar,dairy products,and wheat, as well as many acidic foods such as fruits,since they contribute to candida, which is very prevalent among those who are bipolar.
4. Utilizing biofeedback and other stress related therapies to access a more meditative state works well.
5. Cranial sacral work can help to balance the nervous system.
6. Doing yoga exercises,tai chi, chi gung, and other practices that work with slowing down the breathing the "chi" to the whole body, can be very helpful.
7. It is a good idea to test for pyroluria, which pulls out both the B-6 and zinc from the body. Most doctors are unaware of this test, but it can be ordered from Norsom Medical Laboratories, 7243-West Wilson Avenue, Harwood Heights, IL. 60656.
SUPPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BIPOLAR DISORDER
L-Taurine is an amino acid that has anti-convulsant properties and is helpful for both epileptics and those suffering from manic depressive tendencies.
GABA may be classified as an amino acid, but it actually serves as a neurotransmitter. (There are more GABA sites in the brain that for any other neurotransmitters such as dopamine or serotonin.) It works as an inhibitory transmitter, keeping the brain and body from going into "overdrive". Those with anxiety or manic depression should begin with a low dose, 250 mg. at bedtime or when the anxiety occurs.
B-Complex helps to overcome symptoms of anxiety, depression, irritability, and fatigue.
B-6 should be used in addition to the B complex, especially if one is pyroluric and lacks it.
Zinc--If a diagnosis of pyroluria is made through lab tests, then high doses of zinc should be taken several times a day.
Calcium and Magnesium--Calcium is a difficult mineral to assimilate and needs to be taken with magnesium. Calcium hydroxapatite is one of the best forms. Usually a good supplement has a ratio of twice the amount of calcium to magnesium. However, with manic depressive patients, there is the need for additional magnesium. One way to obtain this is through liquid chlorophyll, which is the magnesium ion, and also through various forms of magnesium in capsule. Calcium supplements should not be taken with meals, but it can be taken several times throughout the day.
Manganese is a very important mineral for the nervous system. If it is lacking,fatigue,irritability,and ear noises,such as ringing may be present.
L-Tyrosine is an amino acid that is a precursor to the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine, which are deficient in many manic depressives during their depressive cycles. L-tyrosine is also recommended when any thyroid conditions are present.
L-Phenylanine and DL-Phenylalanine is precursor to tyrosine and exhibits many of the same effects. It helps the body to produce a substance called "phenylethylamine" which is deficient in many manic depressives. (Phenylethylamine is present in both chocolate and marijuana, and is created by the body in greater amounts when one is"in love". The L form seems to work better for manic and depressive states, while the D and DL forms work better for depression.
Methione is an amino acid that is helpful for some individuals suffering from depression.
L-Tryptophan (and 5-Hydroxy-Tryptophan) is an amino acid that is a precursor to the neurotransmitter serotonin (the one that is affected by drugs such as Prozac and Zoloft). In 1990, L-Tryptophan was pulled from the market in the US,as it was deemed responsible for a number of deaths. Although the deaths were attributed to a contamination of the product made by one particular manufacturer, L-Tryptophan is currently available only be prescription in the US. However, 5-hydroxy-tryptophan is metabolite of tryptophan, which is available over the counter, and may work better for people who suffer from depression, irritability,and other symptoms.
Gluthathione and L-cysteine is an antioxidant which helps to detoxify chemicals into less toxic forms. It is often obtained from L-cysteine or N-acetyl cysteine. Cysteine binds with heavy metals aiding the body's elimination of them.
HERBAL RECOMMENDATIONS
Vervain and Scullcap help to tone the nervous system. They can be used in a formula with wood betony as well.
Hops,Passion flower, Camomile,St. John's wort, and Valerian are herbs that relax the nervous system. Often they are used in combination.
I believe that physical health problems,vitamin/mineral deficiencies should be considered before diagnosing somebody as having bipolar disorder and treating it with medication.
but yeah....I believe that the source of the symptoms should be treated and not the symptoms which I feel is just covering up.
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 8:33 PMsorry, i read you wrong
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 9:03 PMgood vitamins, omega 3's and exercise.... -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 9:18 PMvitamins from a bottle is bullshit
source: omega 3's
exercise is key: but don't circulate bad blood
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 9:36 PMsome good news too,
Main Stream is teaching " Social workers"
about this...
malnourishment of the brain and body...
it will take some time to make this Public understood knowledge..
yet it is happening for real
and good info raymond , i will pass to some people.
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 10:20 PMright on!
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:19 PMI'm bipolar II and haven't taken any meds since last April. Check out acupuncture definitely. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:13 PMthe flo of chi is critical
but the cleansing of the blood is even
more
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 7:27 PMHi,
Now, I was told in 2004 I had bipolar after some very strange thoughts, and bahaviour patterns, but ultimately I had no attachment to the world, could not see where I fitted into it all, felt very insecure about my bizzare sense of humour, many things really.
They put me on amisulpride and chlorpromazine which was truly the most horrific thing i have ever experienced, later they put me on olanzapine, then an epilepsy drug, the name of which escapes me now.
Anyway, long story short, none of these things helped at all, I did become normal for a while, but was still experiencing dark depressions, and periods of extreme elevation. Finally in 2006, I tried LSD in march, and this made everything make sense to me, I utterly understood what the world is, and throughout that year I used magic mushrooms a lot. And ever since that year, I have not once went back to my old bi polar self at all, I understand my place in the universe, I understand there is only one infinte intelligent conciousness that is poured into each of us and our task is to realise this as the truth and to spread love all over the place.
I AM NOT TELLING ANYONE WITH BIPOLAR TO GO AND USE PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS I AM JUST TELLING THE THREAD STARTER HOW I DEALT WITH BIPOLAR DISORDER
It helped me. BUT DONT JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT WHATEVER YOU DO, PSYCHEDELICS ARE NOT TO BE TRIFLED WITH.
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 7:54 PMl am so Glad you found your place in the world
& that LOVE is the answer
All that was/is required is a different perceptive
of you & the world around you
And you found that...
My Heart is HAPPY for you
Love & Light whitedove
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:00 PMThank you for your story...
I am taking a very low dose of seroquel/quetiapine, 25 mg most evenings. I take a few days off sometimes, and feel elated when I do, however I am also scattered and have difficulties completing tasks. I try to gauge how often I need to take the small pill as to how sleepy I am and how much energy I need the next day. I'd like to some day not take any pharmaceutical drugs however I'm not sure how to get enough sleep to stay sane with out the drugs. I think I'll go to a naturopath and try to upgrade my diet and activity level and see if I can stay off of it for longer periods.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:55 PM☆ yoga! pranayama! prayer! ☆ -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:56 PMoh and persistence
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:58 PMemotions have no
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:03 PMunless your emotional response
is dimmed
within
pharms/meds will kill you and if not that
make you worse
i have disclosed some keys on another tribe
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:03 PMstfu roger i swear to God your contrary nature is so rude.. but carry on if i've misinterpreted your maundering and waxing poetic as bein mean :D i'm in a bit of an irritable/edgy mood though, i admit. -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:11 PMpp: i'm in a bit of an irritable/edgy mood though, i admit. 1003am
yeah, who isn't
misinterpretation is too easy
but some hold a hidden
agenda
let's just say; i know yours
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 10:11 AMyou wanna become the maharaja roger raj? beats me.. oh no wait somthing to do with the enemy of all life......
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 5:16 PMwhat fun would that be
if i told you.
life is not 'pulp fiction'
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 5:54 PMezekiel 33
Now the paw of the LORD had been upon me...
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 6:11 PMgo on change your name to maharoger that'd be funny
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 11:38 PMi will have to go get the lyrics
and then again
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 9:18 PM...or read.
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:04 PMThough it is a nice thought to come up with natural ways to help with disorders such as Bipolar it is not always practical and safe to experiment with these different ways. I myself have taken my Bipolar medication for over six years and have found myself to be in a much better state of mind. I could try to prove how spiritually in tune I am by quitting the medicine and trying to get by on all these pure remedies but why? I am fairly centered spiritually but I know that not all medicine and doctors are somehow bad. If my medication was somehow causing me to have some bad side effects I could see it as a problem. Remember much of our medicines are manufactured through things grown on this planet.
I guess what I am trying to tell you is that there is no shame in taking medicine. If you have bad eye site you wear glasses or contact lenses. If you have Asthma you use a nebulizer for it. Why should the brain be treated any different?
Many of the others words of advice are all good. Don't ignore their advice because if for you the need to be more centered and spiritually connected means using it that is good. There is no one path to spiritual perfection. There are many and each of us must find what is right for us personally. If you feel you must quit your medicine than the best thing you can do is focus on positive things. A positive mind set and some meditation focused on relaxation can slow down your mind and give you a bit if ease.
Katrina, I am not saying meds should be the end of your journey to being grounded. My mom had a heart attack six years ago and she became obsessed with taking on cats that would most likely die or be abused. She built shelters for several of them and she took on some more with her husband in their double wide. Anyway she was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis and that with the stress led to her death three week ago. Life is too short even when we live the average life span so why live life stressed and worried to the point of not being able to have some peace of mind? Take the time to appreciate the people and things that give you joy. Spread love and kindness when you can. Accept that we can not control everything. God and spirituality are great but not enough alone by themselves. We may have a soul but we are in a material plain and sometimes it takes material things to fix our problems. You can't just give up your body for your soul unless you die.
Work within the material existence we are in and don't forget God, if you do that you will be fine. If you are given a medication don't always take the doctors word for it. Never be afraid to ask questions. The internet is a great research tool so never be afraid to use it as a means of finding out things.
Katrina whatever you decide I am behind you. It is after all your choice. Just know that the mental institutions are filled with people who felt bad about taking their medicines. Also many are no longer among us. God be with you and Peace and light. Gary Linger. -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:58 PMnow take a look at the truth of meds/pharms
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 9:17 PMwell idio T
what did you think about ssristories?
did you think that was made up?
maybe a coincidence?
have you ever been on meds/pharms...bet you still are
so that was a stupid question
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 7:46 PMmAny of us do xperience bi-polar or manic depressive type symptoms. would highly reccommend alternatives to psych meds. as there is drug industry/FDA/psychiactric community "good old boys club" which is a300 billion a year industry or some bullshit like that. many many people overdiagnosed. problem is, there is no actual blood tests or "chemical imbalance test" or scans or anything. and psychiatry is sort of a sham i'm sure some people do get real help with meds, but most people just struggle awhile. finding a super diet and your own routine works best. eat green superfood and plenty of omega fatty acids like fish oil, and ammino acids and plenty of protein. Just saturate yourself with raw veggies and fresh fruit and it will take a while but your body and brain will heal. real gross fresh stuff you know. it sounds simple but isn't simple to do, but guarentee you will feel better and have less mood swing. and i understand, believe me, you might still have a day you just can't get up and feel all groggg on yourself, but you'll get up and out of it half way through the day. -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 8:05 PMso the range of people with these "diorders" is broad to say the least. and the drugs cover symptoms not the cause and often harm the body in some other way and induce side effects, which really arn't "side" anything, just effects. and labeling these variations of personality is really base and limiting. you have to learn your own swings and ask some friends to help you recognize when you're really on one or kick your butt when you need it
cut out eating/drinking sugar as much as possible. tobacco and coffee can significantly add to mood instability. st johns wart might help. cannabis might help. kava kava might help. 5-htp might help, many might help find what works. detox and cleansing, deep breathing. meditate. blessings. -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 8:32 PMfinally...
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 6:02 AMas lion as explained it quite simple
and has hit the head of the nail
directly
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 6:16 AMoh right and you have the final say on what is TRUTH?
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 6:42 AMdoes it make it a difference when figured out the right
way?
ask lion...but you may have more than a handful there
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 6:43 AMi would not hold it against you if you were on a little prozac or zoloft in the past
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 7:18 AMmaybe
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 8:03 AMoh and you know all about that too huh
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:26 PMkeep dancing
i like listening to your song
warped as it may be
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