What is enlightenment?

topic posted Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:34 PM by  Nick
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  • Re: What is enlightenment?

    Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:41 PM
    For me its that now state, the bleeding edge of creation. Being present in action rather than judging the past or worrying about the future.
    I believe this kind of clarity opens you up to fast, uncluttered decitions; where fear is merely information rather than the driver, and creates openness to inspiration to deal with whatever obstacles.
    Most important is having it 'in the muscle' so there is no trying, only doing it. So far I only have fleeting moments of what I call Enlightenment, but as soon as I get it in the muscle, you will know by the title of my thread: "I'm Enlightened Now, Thanks For All The Help, See You Suckers LATER!!"
  • Re: What is enlightenment?

    Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:27 AM
    enlightenment - loss of 'weight' or 'burden', translates to freedom.

    once you let go of all your baggage, you are enlightened.
    • Re: What is enlightenment?

      Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:49 AM
      really?
      what college course did you take?
      this is the path
      not achieving the
      goal
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        Sat, May 30, 2009 - 10:55 AM
        and rogers keeping score.,your enlightened when you understand the conections between you and everything.,instead of big eye-little you.,enlightenment starts when you understand the invisable movement of the spirit.,untill your vibration lifts towards higher frequencies.,and accept the light+and the healing that goes with it-you will strugle on the black road.,life of slavery-inner and outer loss of light-or chance to be enlightened--its been said,enlightenment comes in stages.,first is the seed--HOPE~~
      • Re: What is enlightenment?

        Sat, May 30, 2009 - 2:23 PM
        BA Animation. but my academics is not important.
        freedom is the goal not the path.
        more ways to look at it,
        enlightened - without weight
        enlightened - clear viewing
        enlightened - free from burden
        • Re: What is enlightenment?

          Sat, May 30, 2009 - 2:33 PM
          what if you had a choice?
          enlightenment vs love?
          • Re: What is enlightenment?

            Sat, May 30, 2009 - 5:04 PM
            true love is acceptance. letting go and accepting without any judgement (baggage)
            so enlightenment and love are the same thing in my eyes.
            • Re: What is enlightenment?

              Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:40 PM
              have you ever been in a...
              knife fight?
              ok
              how about a fist fight?
              love does not grow with acceptance...
              • Re: What is enlightenment?

                Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:55 PM
                self acceptance transforms the blinkered lenses we have been wearing (perhaps since we were born).. this allows, more and more, the heart to express and for the physical 'brain mind' to relax its iron grip and 'safety mechanisms'.

                in this way, loving perception is allowed and new understanding is co-realised...

                a shift from 'this then that' linear thinking can also be found to be a part of the more naturally, loving you..

                all of this includes an INCREASE of free will and expression.. not the 'naval gazing' do nothing approach that many people expect.

                unexpect the expected.

                with all this comes increased understanding of the nature of self, reality and all that is, such that it is understood more and more, that there is no need to fight yourself or anyone else. for any reason at all... you can create the perception that there is a need, yet there is not.
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                  Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:30 PM
                  Aye.,just put down your guns.,and the war will be over.,what does a fist fight have to do with loving connection.,? and confusion is what that sounds like.,i know you really want to know the link between love and enlightenment-so i will explain it as the moment you realise you have ties to the sacred-unseen,it doesnt mean you have all the answers-nada-what it means is you are now ready to explore your spiritual side.,enlightened to the fact that the journey has just begun~~
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                    Re: What is enlightenment?

                    Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:36 PM
                    I am drinking and enjoying a Brahma beer, happy to be here, happy to know what I do.
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                    Re: What is enlightenment?

                    Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:40 PM
                    really? where is your nearest FEMA
                    summer camp
                    i am tired of listening to pukes too afraid to fight
                    too afraid to stand
                    quit your bullshit of talking...nice
                    war is war
                    where have your been?
                    • Re: What is enlightenment?

                      Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:44 PM
                      I hope you bust out of that black iron prison.
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                        Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:50 PM
                        nobody gets out of there...alive
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                          Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:55 PM
                          Earlier today I watched 'Into the Wild' a movie based on a true story: a young man leaves home and family and sets out for Alaska. He ends up trapped alone in the wilderness and starves to death.It's a well done film that kind of spells out for us that Nature is 'red in tooth and claw'.
                          • Re: What is enlightenment?

                            Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:59 PM
                            i would rather die fighting...to survive with nature
                            than a
                            FEMA extermination...'camp'...
                            • Re: What is enlightenment?

                              Sun, May 31, 2009 - 7:11 AM
                              Rereading Nick's post this morning really explains the vast field of opportunities. The finest beings I have met have conveyed a joyful knowingness of our reflective universe.
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                                Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:09 AM
                                its been a treat.,rubbing elbows with other high minded reflections.,some good people out there--Theres Some Really Good People++Giving Thanks and Praises For This Day++
                            • Re: What is enlightenment?

                              Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:02 AM
                              roger it depends on your will to live.
                              if you have something to live for, then you will endure all things in order to continue on your mission.
                              it is not fear that will prevent a person from fighting.
                              if a person sees the odds and deduces a higher chance of survival by not fighting then that makes more sense. but if ones life is truly in danger, then the gloves come off. it doesn't effect any balance of enlightenment or love, it is simply necessary. and that is called acceptance.
                              acceptance that it is necessary. no baggage is held, and no hard feeling is kept afterwards.
                              this is how the shaolin monks behave. have you seen 'bulletproof monk'?
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                                Sun, May 31, 2009 - 9:02 AM
                                pp: roger it depends on your will to live.
                                802am

                                my will is not dependent
                                only my training and skills
                                against...
                                the enemy of all
                                life
                                where do you stand?
                                • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                  Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:39 AM
                                  well roger, i don't stand against any organisation.
                                  I have my own views about how to move forwards and i believe that certain organisations will only burn themselves out.
                                  the rain will reduce the mountain to rubble, if i were to try the same thing, it would be a big waste of my time. I will just walk past the mountain and carry on to my own personal destination.
                                  that is to bridge cultures. that is my path. I'm not what i would call enlightened, but my path will lead me there in the end.

                                  I'm not sure who is this enemy of all life you refer to.
                                  i can understand that perhaps you see 'acceptance' as saying that people who do bad things are ok.
                                  what i am saying is that for enlightenment and for love, acceptance is necessary. but once you have accepted the way things are, then you can start to make decisions.
                                  for if you do not accept that there is a river in front of you, how can you even imagine starting to build a bridge?
                                  the person who cannot accept such an obstacle would break down in tears upon the sight of the rushing water. but the person who has accepted the problem, would now be able to work at solving the problem. acceptance is not about sitting back and doing nothing. it is about emotionally allowing something and dealing with it.
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                                    Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:50 AM
                                    pp: I'm not sure who is this enemy of all life you refer to.

                                    really?
                                    why should i call you stubborn, or stupid...the worst: ignorant
                                    can you spell:
                                    F E M A
                                    no, this will not be summer camp for you
                                    neither
                                    me
                                    are you on pharms?
                                    ok, maybe just bad diet?
                                  • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                    Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:54 AM
                                    see what i mean, idiot?

                                    pp: i can understand that perhaps you see 'acceptance' as saying that people who do bad things are ok.

                                    where the fuck did you get this?
                                    • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                      Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:56 AM
                                      sorry, i thought you meant evil
                                      bad and good go together
                                      nite and da
                                      right and wrong

                                      i was responding to another thread, tribe
                                      sorry to harsh your vibe
                                      i was wrong...for once?
                                      • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                        Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:57 AM
                                        yet you still do not get the enemy of all life?
                                        • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                          Sun, May 31, 2009 - 12:05 PM
                                          ignorance has to be at least part of the answer--thats my biggest enemy~~
                                          • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                            Sun, May 31, 2009 - 12:08 PM
                                            at least ignorance can be
                                            healed
                                            i spent a lifetime...
                                            • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                              Sun, May 31, 2009 - 12:18 PM
                                              ignorance i can forgive--stupidity is another matter+willfull ignorance.,that makes me grit my teeth~~~
                                              • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                Sun, May 31, 2009 - 12:25 PM
                                                well... we have all
                                                sorts here
                                                some do not really how to turn on
                                                the flashlight
                                                others...forgot
                                                how to install the
                                                batteries
                                                • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                  Sun, May 31, 2009 - 12:33 PM
                                                  all else fails-read the instructions--insert quarter and beam me up scotty~~
                                                  • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                    Sun, May 31, 2009 - 2:53 PM
                                                    wrong again?
                                                    they call me me the doctor...
                                                    and much worse
                                                    but you have already been beamed...
                                                    aboard
                                                    • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                      Sun, May 31, 2009 - 3:11 PM
                                                      ok doc.,theres something up with this place.,theres this guy with pointed ears saying,pull my finger.,is this guy a light switch or a coffee machine-strange place ya got here~~Uh-Oh~~Da Fu-----is That~~~
                                                    • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                      Sun, May 31, 2009 - 3:17 PM
                                                      the funny part of those who call others ignorant is that they think america = the whole world.
                                                      i don't know what FEMA is because i am not american. why the hell should I?
                                                      • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                        Sun, May 31, 2009 - 3:30 PM
                                                        thats a good point.,fema is the gulag for america,the pitifull.,history repeats and i think what roger is saying by that is the fate of the jews and how its coming to AmeriKa.,Takeshi.,you are a resonable person from what i have read of your post.,and with all respect to you and the rest that arent American---We Are One--Sooner hopefully people are going to change it.,because what happens to me-will happen to them-will happen to you--so im lookin for the light+
                                                        • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                          Sun, May 31, 2009 - 3:39 PM
                                                          gee, weren't you warned before or read the old posts?
                                                          ramo instructed me and randy not to use the word: jews; rather
                                                          say
                                                          zionists
                                                          this then softens the imapact...well, not in
                                                          gaza
                                                          • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                            Sun, May 31, 2009 - 3:59 PM
                                                            zionist run this country.,the jews were cannon fodder--a nuisance-kinda like them peace protestors and anti gov-rabble out there.,they came for the jews,but im not a jew,i turned away--they came for the hippies-i cut my hair-i turned away--they came for the protestors~~~
                                                            • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                              Sun, May 31, 2009 - 7:58 PM
                                                              you said it, not me
                                                              ever hear of the patriot act law?
                                                              nsa records every thread, post, and
                                                              breath
                                                              where is your nearest
                                                              FEMA camp?
                                                              • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                                Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:06 PM
                                                                there is one built 50 miles west of me in the paseytun wilderness.wa,.allso one built on the collville indian reserve 70 miles east of me~~wheres yours--?
                                                                • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                                  Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:13 PM
                                                                  fort riley, i think
                                                                  i used to go to a bar near there: little falls
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                                                                    Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:20 PM
                                                                    most of the camps are old army bases.,located thru the southeast~~thats why im glad im up here.,though they are in every direction.,
                                                                    • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                                      Tue, June 2, 2009 - 5:02 PM
                                                                      my god.,cheer up.,can we get back to a positive spin.,~~
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                                                                        Tue, June 2, 2009 - 5:47 PM
                                                                        positive RESPONSE to perceived 'concentration' style camps in USA ==

                                                                        WHERE 'positive' = integrative, accepting, acknowledging, magical
                                                                        {
                                                                        There would not be such camps unless there were certain underlying belief systems in place throughout various aspects of society. i.e. they were built and for a purpose. The purpose that those who built the camps had in mind may not be the same purpose that those people who are aware of them believe them to be for.. they may be, they may not be. However, if the people who fear that these camps are for violent purposes and their use is unavoidable did not give themselves an opportunity to surface the underlying beliefs and fears in such a way they may never come to know what hides in their own unacknowledged psyche. IF you did not believe that the camps were to be used against people by other people who you also believe have more power than certain other people then you would not be vaguely bothered by it.
                                                                        so there are clearly a variety of beliefs and fears within the collective psyche at this timing, many of which are remnants from choices made thousands and thousands of years ago.. an examination of the energies involved in WW2 can be revealing as to the nature of what we are working with.. although, in truth, none of us really needs to be told because it is all inside of us and WE are creating it.

                                                                        so it can be said to be positive that these signs and symbols are present above ground and in your face as they allow us to integrate and transform ourselves in ways we prefer rather than harbouring compressed and denied (unacknowledged/unresolved) emotions and beliefs that many are otherwise unwilling to look at and process.

                                                                        there are those who have said that the so called illuminati believe that they are great beings for doing what they do because they stimulate evolution and so on. I do not agree with this in the way that they define it to be since evolution would be far more accelerated if they were positively aligned and actually helped people rather than scared them.. however, it is not their choice as to how other people respond to them.. and they are symbols themselves.. we all are..
                                                                        regardless, it is an opportunity to learn and change and it is as positive as YOU make it.

                                                                        for those that say this is a sidestepping from their pov.. allow me to step it up a notch..

                                                                        let's say that the worst fears become manifest for you and you find yourself in a camp with millions of other people (HIGHLY unlikely);
                                                                        how can this be said to be positive?
                                                                        firstly, nothing is inherently positive or negative.. it is neutral until you spin it one way or the other...
                                                                        secondly, we are at the point where there is sufficient awareness, technology and assitance to ensure that any such actions would be highly visible to most people of earth and the basic loving nature of creation would not allow this type of action to 'happen again' without it being hugely different 'this time around'..
                                                                        I will spare myself the writing of a 100 page epic feature movie script on the subject which would only be one parallel reality out of an infinity of others... suffice to say it is what you make it, in every moment.. this is always true.. always has been and always will be...

                                                                        the most likely reality I envisage here is that these camps are never used for anything like some people would have you buy into and the very impetus for their creation will disappear (it already has as far as I am concerned).

                                                                        so to summarise my scattered mind-burp.. positive/negative is entirely down to you in any moment.. this is empowerment.

                                                                        old: emperor
                                                                        new: empoWEror

                                                                        }


                                                                        really it is the 'empire' energy that has moved to the USA for what I trust is its final exploration.. it is already seen to be nothing more than a net result of deep suffering and inner trauma, which is being healed collectively with great sincerity and positivity.. and thus its fate is sealed... consigned to history as an amazing learning experience on the path to return to heavenly earth.

                                                                        erm.. oh yeah.. enlightenment.. big/small subject.. hehe. :)
                                                                        • Re: What is enlightenment?

                                                                          Tue, June 2, 2009 - 6:03 PM
                                                                          WEELL NICK~~you are light in action.,i feel healing vibrations from your words,and feel a resonance with everything you say.,i really feel a lift just from positive reaction+action~~im really glad to be in this tribe and im gonna stick around-for the rest of the story~Nick-your pretty cool man-
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                                                                            Tue, June 2, 2009 - 7:01 PM
                                                                            read your post 3X.,and it still makes sense.,hmmm.,.,interesting~~
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                                                                              Tue, June 2, 2009 - 7:05 PM
                                                                              if you knew this all along --why didnt you just say so~~~instead of making us slop along and work my lazy brain~~some people~
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                                                                                Tue, June 2, 2009 - 7:13 PM
                                                                                lol... :)

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                                                                                the circle is completed with your active participation. :))
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                                                                                  Tue, June 2, 2009 - 7:17 PM
                                                                                  righto~lifes a circle.,i get it Hee-Hee~~for where we begin and in the end.,we are one~~
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                                                                                    Tue, June 2, 2009 - 7:33 PM
                                                                                    I hope i'm not in error, I can't read properly right now, but it seemed to me that your post was very interesting nick. it seemed to contain many of similar principles contained in the following page - www.angelfire.com/home/thef...truth.html
                                                                                    i hope that this is adding to this discussion and that is relevant. I will read your post tomorrow when ia mmore fully aware. @_@:
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                                                                                      Wed, June 3, 2009 - 11:37 AM
                                                                                      ok i read all of what you wrote nick. I do believe that the link i posted is very relevant and interesting. I'll post what i feel to be the most concise and relevant part, feel free to read the rest of it in the link i provided.

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                                                                                      The Caucasians have barely changed with time, and they are a breath of fresh air. Long ago, less resilient cultures became attached to them. An acquisitive bunch, the Caucasians wisely accepted these cultures, and simply 'added them on' intact so that someone of mixed descent had more than one 'side' and could operate in more than one way. This was valuable, since one encounters many different situations in life and each culture specializes in dealing with some ancient situation that acted as catalyst to its development. In preserving other cultures intact the Caucasians cleverly maintained that which they deemed most valuable –the aggressive cutting edge that had enabled them to survive.

                                                                                      Germanic people had a different priority. To them, solidarity came first. While Caucasian cultures had been born of war, Germanic cultures had been born of deprivation. Unable to support their population in the north, they had developed a society in which each person feared expulsion as an extra mouth to feed, and dared not oppose his or her group. The Caucasians needed every warrior, and would never reinforce their enemies with exiles. And they dared not lie for fear of ruining their complex negotiations. But Germanics lived in a different world. For them there were two alternatives –the group they must fit into at all costs, and death in the wilderness– so they had better not make waves. The psychological toll was enormous, and the resentment this produced had to find an outlet. Afraid of expulsion into the wilderness, each person in the society sought to avoid becoming a target for others' frustration. At the same time each one sought to hide his or her own frustration by feigning goodwill. The institution of the scapegoat emerged, by which one person became the target. Everyone else could pretend that this was the target's fault, and each one of them managed to escape persecution.

                                                                                      As the society enlarged, whole groups became scapegoats. This did not work wonders for their humour, and the scapegoats became dangerous. Unable to cope, the besieged majority desperately clung to a superficial veneer of civility. While its victims struggled to survive amid their enemies, those enemies kept up the pretense that nothing was wrong. This pretense did not work. In fact it made the situation worse. But the people in the majority group could not think of anything else to do.

                                                                                      In a desperate attempt to deny the existence of a growing problem, they demanded an absolutely serene surface in their communities. They developed an artificial 'need' for absolute guarantees and certainty. When they confronted another culture, they knew that misunderstandings would inevitably arise. Familiar with the pattern that had emerged in their own culture, they assumed the other culture would eventually 'turn into a monster', so they skipped that step by engaging in a program of extermination before the problem occurred. Living in suspicion and fear, they sought complete control over their environment. No one was allowed to be different from them. Realizing that all individuals are different from each other in many ways, they knew they were in danger of killing each other off. So they developed a culture in which groups were defined clearly, and in which group solidarity was of paramount importance. Everyone had to be a 'friend'. The only alternative was to be the enemy. More than anything they feared the 'enemy within' the group.

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                                                                                        Wed, June 3, 2009 - 11:46 AM
                                                                                        the enemy within~~very good work .,i will save this bit of history here--never heard of this before--makes sense~the enemy within--program or else--where have i heard that before~~

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