Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

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Meme: a cultural item that is transmitted by repetition in a manner analogous to the biological transmission of genes...especially with the connotation that memes parasitize people into propagating them much as viruses do.

The term meme complex denotes a group of mutually supporting memes that form an organized belief system, such as a religion.

I see the New Age movement as a meme complex.

To me, this concept explains very well how the ideas of the New Age are spread. Think of the rampant spread of the ideology of The Secret, for example. How people felt a compulsion to aggressively (and/or passive aggressively) proselytize and spread the ideas to the people around them. And did so (and continue to do so) to a nauseating extent.

The constant promotion of certain New Age ideas by its proponents (ex. "creating abundance," "creating your own reality," "all part of the divine plan," "love and light," spiritual hierarchy leading to ascended masterdom, etc.), all while often denying they are doing so, is an example of how these memes are spread in the population.

People are often parasitized by these ideas/memes without even knowing it. Their speech is peppered with this stuff...or sometimes just a few words sneak in. But the energy of it is the same. The fact that people promote it often without even recognizing they're doing it (or at the very least denying they are doing it) shows the level to which it has been embedded, to different degrees.

A lot of New Agers I've come across use very sneaky and subtle proselytizing techniques. They start off with seemingly benign chit chat and then subtly start pushing their beliefs, throwing in a few key concepts. Because it's not out in the open, it's easier for the meme to spread. People feel its all very innocuous - both the person doing the proselytizing and the person being proselytized to.

But I believe the effects of these New Age memes on the individual and, therefore, on our societies, are far from innocuous.

The words often say one thing, seemingly innocuous on the surface, but ultimately mean another. Elements and applications of New Age ideology are being used manipulatively, in damaging ways, and are taking hold along with the seemingly more light-hearted aspects.

The end result of people adopting these ideas is a largely complacent, docile, navel-gazing population ignorant of much of anything that hasn't been prescribed on their journey up the (false) enlightenment ladder.

It's bizarre to me that people speak as if they are reading straight out of a New Age textbook, but they claim they are not New Age. They repeat the same beliefs, the same idioms, use the same tactics but claim no connection. If there really is no connection, how can I generally tell within seconds that someone is coming from this ideology, no matter how sneaky the person is? Once you can energetically pick up on the influence of these New Age ideologies, there is no doubt.

So perhaps "New Age" is an old term, one easily denied by those who sense critique? Maybe we need a new term for this meme complex?

Either the proponents of these ideas are just denying the roots or they really don't know what they're promoting. In either case, most haven't examined the sociological effect of what they're promoting, and this is unnerving.

To me, the prevailing New Age meme complex is an overriding mindset that promotes complacency (misusing the terms "acceptance," "tolerance," "surrender," "all part of the divine plan"), lack of personal responsibility and action, and solipsism (nothing exists outside yourself) where every social ill is linked back to the individual's negative thinking or belief system. Every social ill, people are told, can be solved with internal self-examination, meditation, "spiritual" practises prescribed by them, etc.

Everything is considered subjective, even the very idea of right and wrong. Everything can be explained away with this mindset...murder, theft, rape, destruction of people's homes and businesses. People are taught that they do not have the right to judge these things. They are taught to give up their own personal discernment and values in favour of the "divine order."

People are taught that nothing exists outside themselves, and that, therefore, there is no external accountability for actions, even from public officials. Everything is in the hands of the "higher power," which they already are or can become by submitting to the hierarchical process of "enlightenment."

The ideology goes that there is a spiritual hierarchy that each individual is striving to climb on his/her way to achieving "ascended master" consciousness. (IE. Buddha, Jesus, etc.) Immense amounts of time and energy are put into climbing this supposed enlightenment ladder...all focussed on the individual achieving "enlightenment," determined by those who are already considered at the top of the hierarchy.

Endless books, lectures, workshops, fasts, cleanses, purification rituals, diets, programs, all intended to keep the individual focussing strictly on him or herself. Playing people off each other, activating the spiritual ego about who is more or less "enlightened." It's a race to the finish line.

"Guru" human beings who have supposedly reached the highest levels of this enlightenment ladder are set up as models by which those on a lower rung should pattern their lives.

And again, the language of it seems innocuous at first. (As does, for example, world leaders calling for a new world order.)

Tolerance, acceptance, love and light? Who could be against these things?

But here is the subtext, the double-speak. Here is where the combination of personal discernment and intuition (Virgo and Scorpio in astrology) are necessary to weed out the real from the fake. To pick up on the underlying message and energy and identify and eliminate the embedded poison before it is swallowed.

There is a message...and there is the effect and application of that message. Here is where the ideological thrust of the New Age movement gets less innocuous.

When you strip away the fuzzy language, the effect is this:

People are taught that everything is subjective. That acceptance of all things is the way to go (including those things generally considered personally or societally unacceptable) because the individual has no right to declare what is right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable. They are told they do not understand the divine order of things (only those "higher up" do) but can calm themselves with the understanding that it is "all part of the divine plan." This goes to the extent that mass murder committed by the state is all part of the divine plan. That the people killed agreed to be killed as part of a "higher plan" that cannot be judged by the individual. (That channelled Kryon crap is a big proponent of this supposedly "more spiritual" view of things.)

Nothing exists "outside" the individual, so all events are linked back to the individual. If "darkness" is experienced, it is because the individual is a negative thinker or holds a negative belief system and is attracting this "negativity" (often creating a huge amount of guilt and an eroding belief that there is something wrong with the individual, that they are energetically dirty, etc.). Because of this all-encompassing link to the individual, all ills, people are taught, can be solved with internal focus. There is a lack of holding anyone external accountable for their actions (because, they are taught, there is no "external"). This also relates to the state and relieves the individual of any requirement of political or sociological awareness or action. There is a lack of any personal responsibility for collective circumstances (since the only thing that exists is the individual and his/her consciousness).

All questions are answered with the same meaningless, solipsistic idioms.

Endless philosophical tail-chasing and navel-gazing related to goals of climbing the personal enlightenment ladder are encouraged. (Wank, wank, wank.)

People are encouraged to drop/"purify" their egos and personal will, as well as any personal values that are not aligned with New Age values. Those values, they are told, are from a "lower consciousness."

Anything that doesn't fit the meme complex, people are told, is from a "lower consciousness" or "lower vibration" and is looked upon distastefully. There is an overriding pressure to conform.

Skills such as critical analysis, personal discernment, preferences, judgement and rejection of what is not meaningful or necessary for the individual are all looked at suspiciously and are quite often given a negative spin.

There is an imbalanced, excessive glorification of and push for tolerance, acceptance, surrender to a higher power, going with the flow, love and light, etc.

So much easier to pull the wool over your eyes, my dear!

In reality, critical thinking and personal discernment have never been more necessary to balance the excesses of this ideology.

The individual's intuitive skills/personal perceptions are also often vilified by those in the New Age ("You need to check/align your perceptions") but are very necessary to skillfully determine what is really going on. When a person feels something isn't right, generally something isn't right. But within the New Age meme complex, personal intuition about what is going on is is subverted to external sources of New Age information/explanation.

Anything outside the New Age paradigm is denied and rejected as "lower consciousness" from a "lower dimension."

With a strong, well-developed intuitive faculty, people are able to feel things like dishonesty, lack of integrity, false motivations, abusiveness, attempts at domination and coercion. They know on a gut level what to remove, eliminate, get rid of. These are qualities, again, that the New Age generally writes off as "negative" under the imbalanced Piscean Age umbrella of "Everything is acceptable. Tolerate everything."

Being aware of both the surface appearance and what is going on underneath (hidden influence and motivations) is crucial. But any form of critique or exploration of hidden motivations is written off by the New Age movement as the "negative perceptions" of the individual. Or the (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) perceptions of a less enlightened individual who just isn't "there yet."

When people haven't allowed themselves to be talked out of their personal knowledge, they can smell bullshit a mile away. They can determine real from fake.

But people trusting their own perceptions and making their own discernments is dangerous when you're trying to put one over on them. People who trust their own bullshit detectors over all else can tell if your motive is dirty. They are less easy to manipulate. And this is dangerous to people with coercive, manipulative, damaging motivations. They would prefer the populace give these powers over to them. And with New Age ideology, they usually do.

Which, I believe, is part of why people using these faculties are often attacked or written off as "negative," etc.

It's the perfect embedded religion, isn't it? To go along with that embedded police force. It's a belief system that claims no centralization. People promote the beliefs without even knowing what they are doing or of the effect these beliefs have. It's the advancement of One World Religion, and most people don't seem to recognize it.

"Good afternoon, believers," Obama says.

Gag.

Nothing is out in the open anymore. The influence is hidden. Which is why it's crucial that we develop these very refined bullshit detecting skills and trust our own perceptions, especially when others are trying to talk us out of them.
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  • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

    Wed, June 3, 2009 - 1:25 PM
    now this makes sense.,propaganda works.,and weve been worked by experts.,and the new wave thing is the one to watch--shirking responsibility by saying-nothing else matters-because we are all one--which is baloney--wishfull thinking at its best--great little post you got here-ought to stir up a lot of dust~~
    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

      Wed, June 3, 2009 - 9:01 PM
      no dust yet.,i think this ones setting in--makes them think--RightOn
      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

        Wed, June 3, 2009 - 9:41 PM
        I am confused by the idea that your assessment of New Agers is that they defer their own intuition to something else, therefore refusing to act. In my experience, New Age memes in fact reinforce the individual intuition explicitly by always defaulting to "all that you need to know is within." Only I am responsible for my happiness, and it is up to me to use my intuition to pattern my life in such a way that I AM happy, without interfering with anyone else's personal freedom to do the same.

        There certainly are levels of awareness that, if everyone reached them, would render things like police and courts and jails useless, because all that behavior parfadigm would fall away naturally. We have not yet reached that point. As a society, we still have to come to grips with injustice and all that stuff.

        And finally, I am only able to speak about New Age memes and higher evels of awareness because I ahve experienced them for myself. I would never ask anyone to blindly believe a word that I said without their own verification.
        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

          Wed, June 3, 2009 - 10:12 PM
          Perception may be valid in some instances, YET to Hold such an array of Typified perceptions as-If there were an overall consistent truth in Function & Real Life ........ is Symptomatic of the Very Perceived Shortcomings that are here Objected To. Those who are Guilty as here charged.... Are Guilty Because they are Limited by the Self-same Limited Awarenesses that Inflict the Dominant Culture which the so-labeled "New Age" is Intended, and inclined, to Overcome..... DESPITE its own Baggage of Shortcomings Which Originate in the DysFunctional Culture that Offers mostly just criticisms ........... Even As That StatusQuo Culture is the Author of those Very Habits (however one cares to term them, ...'negative' being Accurate, even if 'newagie') to which there is Expressed contempt.
          I've Experienced all those Faulted Effects Here Mentioned, and ALSO experienced a Far More "positive" (accurate descriptor usage again) set of results and Connections than with "Whatever Else" the world has to offer as a culture of Progression out-of the Sheer, Oblivious Insanities that currently Rule....
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          Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

          Thu, June 4, 2009 - 7:41 PM
          I believe the concept of "higher levels of awareness" is part of spiritual hierarchy...which is false, as far as I'm concerned. Higher than what?

          These concepts are used quite frequently to excuse ignorance, denial and inaction. "I'm beyond the paradigm of police and the court system." etc.

          You're actually not beyond them because you exist on Earth at this moment in time...and those things exist, no matter what delusional "creating your own reality" bubble one might be living within.
          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

            Thu, June 4, 2009 - 7:55 PM
            "I believe the concept of "higher levels of awareness" is part of spiritual hierarchy...which is false, as far as I'm concerned. Higher than what?"

            There are two primary 'higher/lower' types of references that I am aware of that are relevant, though yes, it is not about higher/lower as in better/worse or more/less important... everything/one is loved equally and equally valid, if they weren't they would not exist.

            1. awareness: you can be more or less aware of yourself/reality/existence... and this is directly related to denial/acceptance where 'denial' is simply 'the belief that not everything can help you'.
            2. density: also related to awareness and acceptance/denial.. density is essentially (as I understand at present) defined in part as 'more resistance/invalidation = greater density'.. i.e. 'heavier consciousness' i.e. weighed down through choices made. it is ultimately a point of reference only, yet creates perceptions of entire experiences, lives and personas.

            regarding your beliefs about concepts of higher levels of awareness being 'false'... in a sense I agree.. only because you are talking about a concept which in itself is a belief (guess) rather than a direct experience which is knowing.. .which is also higher awareness... (not higher as in better.. higher as in more expanded, more encompassing, inclusive and ultimately compassionate).

            "no matter what delusional "creating your own reality" bubble one might be living within. "

            may I enquire as to how and where your reality 'comes from'?

            peacefully,
            nick
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              Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

              Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:14 PM
              "Density" is another term for "lower consciousness" or "lower vibration." So this, again, is exactly what I'm talking about when people choose to explain away certain aspects of life on Earth as part of a "lower vibration" that they are supposedly beyond.

              It's hierarchical thinking again. The enlightenment complex.

              And you're also using the concept of karma there...being in a state of "density" or "lower vibration" because of personal choices.

              Yet more The Secret stuff. It's all old school BS..."You're a member of the untouchables caste because you made choices that keep you in this lower vibration."

              No politicial or sociological awareness of the inter-relation of conditions. Of the use of power hierarchies. No collective responsibility for the reinforcement of these conditions and hierarchies. It's all designed to remove any personal responsibility for collective circumstances and for the changing of those circumstances. Blame the individual and then you don't have to feel anything about the situation.

              Same old schtick.
              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:37 PM
                "Density" is another term for "lower consciousness" or "lower vibration."

                - no, 'density' is a descriptive parameter which can be of any referential value. 'density' is also used to describe physical matter, it does not imply any particular 'high/low' value.

                "when people choose to explain away certain aspects of life on Earth as part of a "lower vibration" that they are supposedly beyond. "

                I am not 'explaining away' anything.. any more than I am, by saying 'press the submit button to send your post', 'explaining away' how to post a message. To have an understanding of density, again, does not imply anything at all about being 'beyond'.. infact, to be integrative to the level whereby you raise yourself in density is to know that you can be beyond nothing.. it is INCLUSION.. thus integration.. to beleive that you are 'beyond' is a belief which is indicative of lower density consciousness, if you wish to see it like that. other way around. ;)

                "It's hierarchical thinking again."

                No, again, density does not imply hierarchy.. there is no hierarchy beyond what you create.

                "And you're also using the concept of karma there...being in a state of "density" or "lower vibration" because of personal choices."

                no, this is how you have chosen to relate to what I have shared. I did not mention karma, my understanding of karma is very different to what is commonly taught within the earth experience. however, yes, your state is all choice based.. or do you believe you do not have free will?

                "Yet more The Secret stuff. It's all old school BS..."You're a member of the untouchables caste because you made choices that keep you in this lower vibration."

                Again, this is your interpretation.. to raise in vibration truly is to be integrative of all and to know that castes are illusion and suffering.

                "No politicial or sociological awareness of the inter-relation of conditions. Of the use of power hierarchies. No collective responsibility for the reinforcement of these conditions and hierarchies. It's all designed to remove any personal responsibility for collective circumstances and for the changing of those circumstances. Blame the individual and then you don't have to feel anything about the situation. "

                there is no blame inherent in these ideas beyond what you project onto them... and indeed, to 'rise' is to allow all feelings without denial or suppression. that is compassion as much as anything.. to open the heart and to feel the pain/joy that is present honestly and truthfully.

                May I again enquire where your personal reality 'comes from' in your understanding?

                peacefully,
                nick
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                  Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                  Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:51 PM
                  " to beleive that you are 'beyond' is a belief which is indicative of lower density consciousness, if you wish to see it like that. other way around. ;)"

                  Oh, yeah, there we go. Very convenient. If you'll refer to my post, this is an example of the New Ager attempting to make any sort of dissenting view into something from a "lower density consciousness." Again...misuse of "oneness" and reinforcement of the enlightenment complex/spiritual hierarchy New Age is built on.

                  My post isn't actually for people who are already fully entrenched in the New Age meme complex (you).

                  But for anyone who understands what I'm talking about...you're providing glaring examples of what I'm talking about.
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                    Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:55 PM
                    "to raise in vibration truly is to be integrative of all and to know that castes are illusion and suffering."

                    Misuse of the concept of maya. As in...everything is an illusion! Nothing really matters on this plane except for transcending ourselves out of it through raising our consciousness!

                    False, false, false.

                    You're providing a perfect example of the complacency I'm talking about...believing that your "enlightened, higher vibrating consciousness" is all that is required.

                    False.
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                      Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:01 PM
                      As far as free will...it's far from being the only force at work...

                      But anyone espousing The Secret-based ideology sees it as the ONLY force at work. (you)

                      Hence the constant blaming of the individual for circumstances that are actually related to the collective and much more complex, multi-layered dynamics.
                    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:21 PM
                      'castes are illusion and suffering' refers to the recognition that we are all truly equal and worthy, with castes being artificially created divisions between created subgroups of beings. it has nothing specifically to do with reference to the 'reality is illusion' so called 'concept' of 'maya'.

                      "You're providing a perfect example of the complacency I'm talking about...believing that your "enlightened, higher vibrating consciousness" is all that is required. "

                      You are filling in many answers to questions that you have not asked of me. repeatedly.

                      from awareness and understanding come thought and action, when all are in alignment there is all that is required. 'to be yourself to the best of your ability'.. since your natural state is to be unconditionally loving, aware and creative, it follows that this includes assisting all beings as best you can with the understandings you have... as if they were all you your brothers/sisters.. because they are, in a sense.. and more accurately they are you too.

                      what is required in your understanding beyond what I have shared?

                      peacefully,
                      nick
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                        Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                        Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:40 PM
                        And I would also like to point out an example here from the Obama thread of what I'm talking about...effects of these New Age memes.

                        People were wondering if Obama was an agent of the New World Order, continuing those brutal policies...

                        Instead of examining the actual track record of Obama (continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, funnelling trillions of dollars of taxpayers' money to international bankers under threat of martial law, attempting to bring in compulsory military service for all citizens 18 - 25, etc.) you, again, turn the discussion to this meaningless, dime-store psychology level and ask, ""What is it in yourself that Obama reflects that you've decided is evil?"

                        Turning it back on the individual...

                        As if that is meaningful in and of itself...it's not.

                        This is another example of how promotion of this New Age ideology leads away from meaningful discourse and toward inaction and navel-gazing.

                        This is just perfect for the powers-that-be! They love the fact that people are going to look at themselves as the cause of the murderous, destructive regimes and focus internally, rather than holding them accountable for their crimes against humanity.

                        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                          Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:03 PM
                          On the one hand you are pointing to a supposed refusal to acknowledge personal responsibility (in previous posts) in relation to the ideas we are discussing and on the other hand you are pointing to perceived futility of self examination (and thus altered actions as a result of inner changes) and personal responsibility. Thankyou for finding and demonstrating so clearly the centre point of paradox.

                          "As if that is meaningful in and of itself...it's not. "

                          meaning is a personally applied quality in relation to ideas.. what is not meaningful to you can be highly meaningful to someone else, there is potential for infinite diversity in this regard. it is very meaningful to me. You can of course take or leave anything I or anyone else says.

                          with regards the ideas that 'obama is/isn't evil' and 'is he an agent of NWO, perpetuating crimes against humanity'.. one might just as easily say that it is a crime against humanity to allow individuals to operate a government, full stop... all government 'humans' are humanity too.. true democracy has never been in place and really is never likely to be without vast alterations in understanding in relation to the idea of self/power and spirit etc.. (which are underway perfectly)... indeed it is not even something that I prefer to see in place.. it is very flawed if we wish to live and love freely.

                          "This is another example of how promotion of this New Age ideology leads away from meaningful discourse and toward inaction and navel-gazing."

                          Nowhere did I say 'do not act'. I am simply suggesting that it is wise to know before acting, rather than acting based on belief... which may or may not result in yours and/or other people's needless death/suffering.

                          "This is just perfect for the powers-that-be! They love the fact that people are going to look at themselves as the cause of the murderous, destructive regimes and focus internally, rather than holding them accountable for their crimes against humanity. "

                          when I said previously 'there is no outside', this means that the 'outer' world that you assume I mean to look away from (by examining self) is actually INSIDE YOU.. so to look inside yourself, means to look at EVERYTHING.. there is only the blame involved that you are putting out. You do not need to blame yourself for anything at all and I recommend you do not.

                          I personally see NWO as being essentially akin to playground bullies who are highly disconnected from themselves and have also become very organised (albeit in a highly negative and thus fragmentative and ultimately incoherent way)... As strange as it may seem when one is afraid of them, it is love not violence which transforms such self and group abuse. I am not saying to go buy placards saying how great they are and pat them on the back.. I am saying love yourself and them enough that you do not rely on them to help you if you do not believe that they are going to.. get up off your ass and create the system you prefer to live with.. BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE..

                          That starts from looking within.
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                            Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                            Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:08 PM
                            Yeah, I understand the New Age memes you're reinforcing. It's all there in the original post.

                            Further extrapolating on bullshit is still bullshit.
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                              Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                              Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:15 PM
                              I'd also like to point out that schoolyard bullies don't generally murder masses of human beings...while planning to completely dominate others.

                              So your equating the NWO with bullies is yet another example of that sickening level of detachment promoted by the New Age and the blissed out "higher consciousness" paradigmers.

                              "Good afternoon, believers," Obama says with a grin.
                              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                Sun, June 7, 2009 - 12:35 PM
                                "I'd also like to point out that schoolyard bullies don't generally murder masses of human beings...while planning to completely dominate others.

                                So your equating the NWO with bullies is yet another example of that sickening level of detachment promoted by the New Age and the blissed out "higher consciousness" paradigmers."

                                >> It is the patterns within consciousness (the beliefs) that connect the two labelled groups (bullies/nwo) within my understanding...
                                What is so often missed when 'thinking' about anything at all, is FEELING.. this is, in part, because humanity has for thousands of years been essentially disabled through denial of emotion.. people THINK that emotion is 'just something that happens' and akin to 'sound effects' when watching a film.. however, feeling is a major aspect of existence and is not just an 'add on', so to speak.. why is this relevant?
                                It is relevant because the behaviour patterns that are embodied by NWO, mafia, many churches and so on ('power over' structures), largely stem from beliefs generated and connected to feeling and more precisely 'not feeling' (suppressed energy).. it is not until judgement is released and emotions are allowed to flow freely (movement) that you are able to understand the hidden 'whys' of human existence..
                                this is a huge part of why there is so much resistance, grouping/labelling and 'poo pooing' of not just 'new agers' but of groups in general.. 'new agers' specifically often recognise the freedom and relative importance of accepting all of yourself, all emotion and so on.. and this is repulsive and threatening to many since it reminds them of what they find too painful to look at...

                                Again, I will stop here rather than write a 100 page essay.

                                you will find that as with any deeply effective transformational tool or system, the ultimate journey is not one of 'believers' and belief it is one of discarding of belief in recognition and realisation of knowingness and union.


                                Thankyou for reflecting Via.

                                What, may I ask are your suggested solutions to the challenges you perceive facing humanity?

                                Such as NWO agendas etc.

                                peacefully,
                                nick
                                • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                  Sun, June 7, 2009 - 12:46 PM
                                  i swear nick.,ya got rythym.,'new agers' specifically often recognise the freedom and relative importance of accepting all of yourself, all emotion and so on.. and this is repulsive and threatening to many since it reminds them of what they find too painful to look at... ++Bang that Bass drum buddy~interesting lesson all around.,peaceon~~
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                                  Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                  Sun, June 7, 2009 - 1:31 PM
                                  As you continue to repeat yourself, Nick, I will repeat myself:

                                  You project the very New Age memes I'm referring to to the point that there is no reason for discussion. It's just endless tail-chasing.

                                  Again, I think you need to get out of the philosophical realms and actually take a look at how New Age ideology is being applied. I find the societal application of it just the opposite of what you proclaim. To me, you're just repeating the New Age PR campaign...

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                                    Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                    Sun, June 7, 2009 - 1:50 PM
                                    I'll also point out the connection between the popularization of the New Age idea that there is no such thing as sin/right and wrong with the popularity of books like "A Course in Miracles."

                                    So that whole "thou shalt not kill" thing? Yeah, it's actually no big deal!! This goes along with the New Agey free pass for things like state-sanctioned murder because "we were all murderers in one lifetime or another!"

                                    Oprah is a huge fan of that book and even taught a course on it. (She's also a strong promoter of The Secret.) So you can see how this became a widely-held ideology.

                                    And again...you can see how people holding this New Age belief of there being no such thing as sin/right and wrong (combined with the idea that nothing exists outside the individual) is a boon for murderous governmental regimes. No accountability for crimes against humanity.

                                    The concepts of justice and accoutability for actions are completely non-existent here. But the New Ager will tell you that navel-gazing internal self-examination is all the accountability necessary. False.
                    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                      Fri, June 5, 2009 - 9:45 PM
                      Right. The notion that "all is illusion" discounts and/or invalidates our experience. If "all is illusion" on this plane, then joy, peace, harmony, etc. are also illusions. If so, then why bother coming to this plane?

                      IMO, a more appropriate concept is the one stated by Shakespeare in Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (LOL! Can't be bothered to dig up the reference right now.)

                      Being an astrologer, in reference to the concept that "all is illusion," I would argue that there are more planets in the heavens than Neptune (represents illusion). LOL! Saturn will smack that notion upside the head!
                      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                        Fri, June 5, 2009 - 9:59 PM
                        You know Via I have theory that when people are telling other people what to think, especially with a lot of raw emotion, that they are actually saying those thing to themselves.. unconsciously needing to express their own beliefs to themselves. Also, I think your contempt warrants that you not use caps when typing new age.. <like that. Just a couple friendly suggestions. :)

                        Keep pushing though, you'll break those barriers yet!
                        Love, J.
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                          Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                          Sun, June 7, 2009 - 10:31 AM
                          Jason, you hold New Age ideology...so your analysis of what I'm writing is not surprising. It is, again, from that perspective...

                          It's another common New Agey thing you're repeating...again, everything going back to the individual. "You're only saying this because you need to say it to yourself." Along the same lines as "You don't like something about someone because you don't like something about yourself."

                          It's yet another way to promote the solipsism so common in New Age.

                          I'm writing a critique of the New Age meme complex/New Age ideology because it is desperately necessary...so that people can take a deeper look at these ideas and the effect they have on society.

                          Yes, society. It exists.
                        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                          Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:45 AM
                          >>You know Via I have theory that when people are telling other people what to think, especially with a lot of raw emotion, that they are actually saying those thing to themselves..<<

                          This is the sort of conceit that bothers me the most, re 'New Age' - the habit of exercising inversion as the best response to criticism of an essentially non-falsifiable assertion.

                          I find the tendency of believers to cheerily ascribe "lesser spirituality" to those that find fault in the kerygma of 'New Age' fairly infuriating as well, but, more importantly, I see it as a direct undermining of the philosophies espoused. "You'll break through those barriers yet!" is a very insulting thing to say to someone you don't really know at all - the belief that one can identify personal characteristics by rote application of a set of vague criteria related to forces and patterns supposedly at work in the world that cannot be demonstrated nor objectively defined is not supportable.

                          One might ply the same inversion as is typically proffered and say "you're clinging to an ego; let it go and see that this 'New Age' quasi-theology sets you apart from your fellow apes and only serves to reinforce your faults by blinding you to the facts of your nature".
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                    Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:11 PM
                    " to beleive that you are 'beyond' is a belief which is indicative of lower density consciousness, if you wish to see it like that. other way around. ;)"

                    > this is an example of the New Ager attempting to make any sort of dissenting view into something from a "lower density consciousness.

                    no, you are confusing the definitions of what we are conversing about.. you originally said: "people choose to explain away certain aspects of life on Earth as part of a "lower vibration" that they are supposedly beyond. "...

                    pointing to some people's choices to attempt to appear superior or 'more holy than' by referring to their vibrational state as being 'higher than' other people.. and whether you realise it or not I am agreeing that this goes on and am saying that to do this is to be in denial that you are not only capable of making the same choices and being the same 'way' as the people you claim to be 'higher than', they ARE you too! so it is a denial of essential oneness and infinite potential to claim to be 'higher' as in better... there are still levels of awareness and individuation among beings... While you maintain the pretence of separation and 'persona' individuation anyway. "hello other self!", thankyou for reflecting.

                    when you said 'dissenting view', following the flow of the logic of the conversation, you were referring to the person that 'believes they are beyond' as being the person with the dissenting view.. Correct me if that was not your intention.. it is not dissenting at all in my eyes, it is simply representative of non integration of self to some extent. there is no judgement, blame or measurement inherent in that perspective. Again, lower/higher density is not 'better/worse'.

                    "My post isn't actually for people who are already fully entrenched in the New Age meme complex (you). "

                    OK, well, I suggest you post it in a private forum for these people if that is your choice.

                    peacefully,
                    nick
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                      Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:27 PM
                      There are people who belong to this tribe who are not caught in the New Age meme complex...

                      What I'm saying is that you project the very New Age memes I'm referring to to the point that there is no reason for discussion. It's just endless tail-chasing.

                      You choose to call individuation an "illusion." Again...this is misuse of the idea of maya, to me. Illusory nature is actually beside the point. It is meaningless to continue with repetition of that idea. And this idea that "there is no reality. It's all an illusion" is again used to disempower people in the here and now.

                      I say taking personal responsibility for your individuation is required.
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    Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

    Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:46 AM
    your post ,via, is full of fear.

    what exactly are you trying to accomplish by proving that you are right about what you claim?

    you don't have to answer my question.
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      Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

      Sun, June 7, 2009 - 10:25 AM
      Yes, another common New Age tactic...

      Anything critical of it is "full of fear."

      It's along the same lines as the "from lower consciousness, vibration, density" stuff.

      What I'm trying to accomplish? You just keep providing me examples...
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        Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

        Sun, June 7, 2009 - 10:33 AM
        New Age also confuses righteous anger with "fear" all the time, too...
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          Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

          Sun, June 7, 2009 - 2:20 PM
          do you not even realize your meme.

          the new world order conspiracy memes are abounding our culture at this time more than ever.

          you generalize this new age movement you speak of. claiming anyone that is a part of anything similar is somehow just a part of this elaborate new world order scheme.

          and you have made it very clear that everything anyone says fits into your narrow view of what you think you know, making everyone who comes against what you state automatically wrong.

          unity and peace is something to strive for.. separation is something we have always had, your views promote separation and fear and do not promote unity and love, the whole energy behind your post is rotted to the core with your inability to trust your fellow man.

          your theories are simply full of fear.... fear of the new world order, the one world religion.... it is obvious these are your fears you are projecting in your writings.

          so you have an answer for everything and pretty much have made up your mind.

          good luck with all that.

          lol
          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

            Sun, June 7, 2009 - 2:27 PM
            pp: so you have an answer for everything and pretty much...

            more.
            what have you got?

            pp: 220pm
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              Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

              Sun, June 7, 2009 - 2:36 PM
              huh?
              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                Sun, June 7, 2009 - 2:45 PM
                smoking some good shit or what-?+++the new world order conspiracy memes are abounding our culture at this time more than ever.

                you generalize this new age movement you speak of. claiming anyone that is a part of anything similar is somehow just a part of this elaborate new world order scheme.

                and you have made it very clear that everything anyone says fits into your narrow view of what you think you know, making everyone who comes against what you state automatically wrong.

                unity and peace is something to strive for.. separation is something we have always had, your views promote separation and fear and do not promote unity and love, the whole energy behind your post is rotted to the core with your inability to trust your fellow man.

                your theories are simply full of fear.... fear of the new world order, the one world religion.... it is obvious these are your fears you are projecting in your writings.

                so you have an answer for everything and pretty much have made up your mind.

                good luck with all that.

                lol
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            Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

            Sun, June 7, 2009 - 3:50 PM
            No, I'm talking about personal discernment, responsibility for the ideology you are promoting, and accountability for actions.

            That whole separation/unity thing is a massive oversimplification...more New Age doctrine being projected onto the situation. Very common.

            "and you have made it very clear that everything anyone says fits into your narrow view of what you think you know, making everyone who comes against what you state automatically wrong."

            Nope. I'm not saying everything anyone says is related to the New Age meme complex. Just pointing out those things that actually ARE. If you look closely, you'll see the differentiation. But looking closely for differentiation is not the mindset of the New Age.

            I am suggesting that people look to the roots of the ideas they are repeating before they start repeating them. To look at the effects these spiritual ideas have and the political agenda that they may further. To develop some political and sociological awareness...

            And I'm suggesting people look at spiritual hierarch and the enlightenment complex instead of just following the leader...
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              Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

              Sun, June 7, 2009 - 3:53 PM
              A million dead Iraquis don't lie...

              3,500 dead American soldiers...

              120 dead Canadian soldiers...

              Babies being born deformed from exposure to depleted uranium munitions...

              Whether you believe there is a new world order is beside the point...again.
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                Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                Sun, June 7, 2009 - 3:54 PM
                But y'all can explain all this away as "all part of the divine plan," right?

                Just keep floating on your Neptunian cloud...
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                  Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                  Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:02 PM
                  Well, I am not promoting anything.

                  Still in your original point there is fear of the NWO and that too is a religion of sorts.

                  I agree with you showing people to think for themselves and not to just follow any silly new age trend out there...

                  sure there are many of those who do that who dont think for themselves...

                  i do believe however that the new age movement truly is all about thinking for yourself so i dont understand why you are so against it.
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                    Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                    Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:10 PM
                    and about the roots of new age spirituality YES all should look and seek and discover on their own...

                    and astrology.. something very "new age"

                    yet of course has been around longer than our current histories is able to report

                    as for the political new age movement and the NWO yes they are connected... however there is many different NWOs

                    some people paint the nwo with fear..... some of these fears are of course justified....

                    anyhow.. the enlightenment and levels thing you have a problem with is just silliness...

                    look some people are phoneys some people are all about IMAGE.......

                    you have a problem with these people... its obvious...

                    people going around searching for new images their being can merge with to strengthen their ego......

                    yes there is that and even more.....

                    but you left out the other side of the whole deal

                    but i guess since you are just offering one opinion it is obvious that others will offer the other side with their opinions
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                    Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                    Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:15 PM
                    "i do believe however that the new age movement truly is all about thinking for yourself"

                    Can't disagree more.

                    From my experience with New Age individuals, they adopt the New Age paradigm and related ideas/solipsistic idioms and then repeat them, no matter what the topic of conversation...
                    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                      Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:20 PM
                      you just want to disagree.,i said i was an anti war activist--i seen and dreamed.,been among the bodies-wheres my denial-i try to agree with the best parts of the lesson hear.,.,thats a healing thing for me.,so go with your bad self.,
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                        Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                        Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:24 PM
                        Where's the denial? To me, here:

                        "theres not much progress to be made by highlighting negative numbers"

                        As your response to my post including the numbers of recent dead...
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                          Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                          Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:25 PM
                          "Negative numbers"

                          How are these negative numbers? They are factual numbers.
                          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                            Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:32 PM
                            just pointing to numbers is pointless.,i feel like oblio in the land of point.,he was persecuted because he did not have a point.,everyone pointed and said--you must go--because your not like us we all have points--yes-keep pointing.,oblio doesnt care.,he has his dog arrow.,and together they can explore the pointless forest--yo dude.,can you see the trees thru the forest.,?
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                              Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                              Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:35 PM
                              Yes, you're repeating that "pointing to numbers is pointless"...

                              So I'll repeat that I disagree and that you are actually promoting denial...
                              • Defects of the anti-New Age Meme Complex

                                Sun, June 7, 2009 - 7:13 PM
                                So, we have TONs of Miserable Madness (the establishment Meme-ology) .... and we have an Open-ended Progression towards and into ways out-of & beyond that bankrupt, bracketed, predictable, patterned, brainworkery ..... a progression which has been reactivistically, haphazardly identified, labeled, as new-agie. A Huge Spectrum of Diverse complexities of Creative Thought.... All being shoved (by the too-deliberately anonymous-ish thread poster provocateur) into a Clipped catch-phrasish repeat-ological stereotypicalization navel-gazing, navel-gazing, navel-gazing, navel-gazing, navel-gazing, ad infinitum..... meaningless drivel Via something called Combusta.

                                Your Sheer Lack of Original thought or capability to demonstrate anything but Canned expressionisms is The Essence of the LowLife..... Reptilian-Brain DOMINAnt Consciousness that BEGS for something like a Movement UP-the Chakras Fully into the Creative Consciousness..(yeah "lower & higher", like out of your belly-brain and into the heart-head dominance)................................ and your Failure to Do So is Painful to Behold in a world that Offers Bountiful and verdant opportunities. If you respond to this with More of your self-same repetitive Empty Bitchings, it won't be because I didn't Call you on THAT with Explicit Pointed Redirectioning out-of-your-hypnotic trance-of-imitations-of-intelligence. If you carry a Big Delusion and reFrame it as if it (the delusionalities) All were the property of "the new age" .... which is nothing but your PERCEPtion that is Markedly 2-dimensional in its Crippled comprehendings thereof (not relating to the intricate complexities of the real world) ..... you might piss-off those who have Actually been Paying Attention to the sort of Galactic Contexts of Being beyond earth humanity mememememememe's.
              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:05 PM
                and dead babys dont lie.,theres not much progress to be made by highlighting negative numbers.,im a peace activist.,been pluggin for a lifetime it seems.,and the road to freedom is taking back persanol responsibility.,by educating with out the blinders--todays education really is to blame for this meme your talking about--its there.,still looking at piles of bodies makes me very sick.,at heart and other ways--i believe we can find a better way--i sing about it.,and try to encourage people to think for themselves-set themselves free--peaceon~~
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                  Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                  Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:08 PM
                  Actually, looking at the numbers is very much an important part of recognizing and realizing the truth of what is going on on this planet...so I couldn't disagree with you more there.

                  I would say you're promoting that denial and "look the other way from anything that upsets you" New Age ideology there...
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                    Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                    Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:12 PM
                    there have always been wars. and numbers of casualties.

                    do you think new age spirituality is the cause of these wars??? hehe
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                      Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                      Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:17 PM
                      The philosophical navel-gazing and "nothing exists outside the individual" complacency promoted by New Age definitely allows war (and war criminals) to continue unchallenged...
                      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                        Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:30 PM
                        you have (or perhaps the people you have spoken with) mis-understood the idea that 'there is no outside'..

                        It is not the idea that there is only one person..

                        it is the idea that 'the one is the all, the all are the one'.
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                          Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                          Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:33 PM
                          Right...and this is why you promote navel-gazing and endless self-examination instead of holding people accountable for their actions. IE. murderous heads of state.

                          "What is it in yourself that Obama reflects that you've decided is evil?"

                          I'm not misunderstanding anything. You're again providing an example of the effects of New Age solipsistic ideology...
                          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                            Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:41 PM
                            The majority of undrstandings that I have were made in my own journey before I had even heard the phrase 'new age'; these ideas are what are true for me, there is nothing to debate; I am simply sharing a perspective.

                            "Right...and this is why you promote navel-gazing and endless self-examination instead of holding people accountable for their actions. IE. murderous heads of state"

                            -> When will you begin holding people accountable? or are you holding world leaders accountable by talking with me?
                            I have chosen to provide a precise path for global transformation rather than create this life as a finger pointing exercise. That is not to say I do not prefer to see an end to the current manipulative so called governmental structures.. I simply know that they are going to end anyway as they are totally unsustainable.


                            I'm not misunderstanding anything. You're again providing an example of the effects of New Age solipsistic ideology...

                            please define 'solipsistic'...
                            • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                              Sun, June 7, 2009 - 4:55 PM
                              and i have four big posters from one end of my land to the other``saying--War is Not the Answer--i have put my feet on the ground and stand comitted to peace and all you can do yell about the river of denial~~~your in it buddy--argue away~~Sweet dreams People--specially jolly st nick ~~peaceitup++
                              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                Wed, June 10, 2009 - 5:00 AM
                                Posters and meditation on the self cannot help the promotion of peace in any region beyond the self.

                                Aggressive action is often necessary to promote peace - sacrifice and discomfort are invariably part of the effort.
                                • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                  Wed, June 10, 2009 - 10:59 AM
                                  Charmed, we're not, I'm Sure there Looki-hideouscountenance ....................

                                  The notion of New Age Meme Complex is just the peripheral falllout that is Recognizable (as faulted) to those who are energetically-conceptually StatusQuo meme-bound ...from some very Eclectic and Diverse movements into Liberative progressions ...... bound to Annoy anyone heavily invested in preserving their predilictions even at the expense of exposing themselves to the light of day, so to speak.
                                  • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                    Wed, June 10, 2009 - 1:30 PM
                                    I have no idea what you're trying to say, other than the insulting part.

                                    Is being deliberately insulting a part of the New Age thing? If so, it's changed.
                                    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                      Wed, June 10, 2009 - 1:39 PM
                                      the Insulting meme is where you're coming-from (in the first place), and if That's all you 'get', it's because that's that's all you want to get. If I lovingly tossed verbal-literary roses at you, the Sneerings would be of an even greater extreme, Richto-facto?
                                      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                        Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:00 PM
                                        uh -

                                        did you read my posts at all?

                                        If so please help me to understand where the insulting parts are..?
                                        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                          Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:16 PM
                                          oh right, your intent was to be so subtle as to not be perceived as insulting..... it's just a vibe and one that you've (by some sensibilities) artfully imbedded in your gracious prose. Apart from that, I'm rooting for you to Not be "all about That", so go ahead and Lay some wonderfulness and helpful insights upon us, as would a longtime compadre and lightworker.
                                          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                            Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:28 PM
                                            Please review my comments and respond to them accordingly. Thanks! :)

                                            If you need some references, please review my testimonials, and consider whether they're all lying, or are all 'trolls'.
                                            • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                              Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:43 PM
                                              Insultation is your issue, and digressing into That (whether or not if and how, show us exactly) is a useless exercise.

                                              As far as the notion that aggression = the path to peace
                                              You'll shore up that? .... because that's mainstream StatusQuo Meme-tory aggressive-assertive file-lucify (by it's own meme)
                                              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:50 PM
                                                I'm no passive-ist, but aggression (in its hostile destructive forms, as apparently indicated) is mostly a consequence of Failing at every other approach ..... but Most Notably Herein, (and as an oft function of modern historic-present conflicts) in fact, philosophically Bypassing peace-means as Useless from the get-go,..............(pre-emptive aggression) by your accidental misintent? or To Be Clearly Affirmed?
                                                • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                  Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:53 PM
                                                  >>aggression (in its hostile destructive forms, as apparently indicated<<

                                                  No; you're mistaken. Entirely.

                                                  I'll point out that I *still* haven't been hostile to anyone on this thread.

                                                  The hostility between us came from you, Leslie. Check it out for yourself; it's all here.
                                                  • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                    Wed, June 10, 2009 - 3:22 PM
                                                    >>>Posters and meditation on the self cannot help the promotion of peace in any region beyond the self.

                                                    Aggressive action is often necessary to promote peace - sacrifice and discomfort are invariably part of the effort. <<<

                                                    Entirely mistaken? I'm hostile? I might turn a mean phrase back at perceived hostile assertions, but no promoter of hostilities, .....more like a resister thereof, in that tradition of peaceful resistance to aggression in all its intended and sometimes retro-denied forms.
                                                    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                      Wed, June 10, 2009 - 3:25 PM
                                                      .................Oh, I see, no hint of aggression Specifically towards anyone here; ... just potentially as a broad philosophical recommendation to everyone in general?
                                                      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                        Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:08 PM
                                                        No; not at all. "Aggressive action" and "sacrifice and discomfort" do not connote violence, but rather a will to action - that is, in the world, via direct physical confrontation with the sources of suffering. Giving of one's self can be aggressive without necessitating causing further harm - as in aggressively defending a sane point of view from well-meaning but ultimately deluded patterns and systems of unsupportable belief.
                                                      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                        Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:12 PM
                                                        whos doing what.,?i see leslie using sly humor as his tool.,and he is nonagressive.,we need to work together and forget that EGO.,.,im so f---- smart routine.,we work together for Peace or it wont work at all.,Get Off Your Lazy Asses`and think positive growth.,or your just playing games--a bag of flatulance.,Peace Takes Work--you gotta make it work instead of bashing each other--Love is the answer~~
                                                        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                          Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:16 PM
                                                          I fail to see the humor. I see a lot of self-congratulation and affirmation of essentially indolent behavior, as well as a stunning lack of understanding as to what is meant by the term "meme".

                                                          Thinking positive is great if it gets you to act; not acting is worthless in the face of suffering, no matter how you feel about it.
                                                    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                      Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:14 PM
                                                      No; I'm sorry, calling me names was certainly a hostile act on your part, and yes, still - entirely mistaken.
                                                      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                        Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:35 PM
                                                        I see you've been grievously injured on an emotional level by my unmellow observation. Likewise your intention to characterize everything foreign to your philosophy of aggression, ......i.e. New age ...or not Status Quo same-old same-old ....or resembling that pathetic horrorshow madness known as "serene introspection"........... as Delusional, ...is in No Way to be interpreted as Insulting.

                                                        How charming that a huggable velvety red skull countenance presents itself as a philosopher qualified to offer valuable discernment directives.
                                                        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                          Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:41 PM
                                                          oops, my bad, not so velvety, more of a liquid red sheen resembling,....... I dare not say for fear of evoking a traumatizing imagery that could only further insult ........
                                                          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                            Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:50 PM
                                                            yeah leslie.,quit picking on the creepy little skull guy.,he obviously is deeply embarassed and will probably cry himself to sleep tonight~~
                                                            • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                              Thu, June 11, 2009 - 12:25 AM
                                                              and i would like to know why roger invites all his reject friends to come to 2012 uncensored.,thats for people who were in the 2012 tribe and got tired of being hounded.,but now its being poluted by idiots.,thanks--
                                                              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                Thu, June 11, 2009 - 12:57 AM
                                                                damn, you jealous
                                                                or what
                                                                year 2012 has not had one post in twelve hours
                                                                i invite all
                                                                to challenge and
                                                                be challenged
                                                                otherwise, we will grow only
                                                                weak
                                                                • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                  Thu, June 11, 2009 - 1:00 AM
                                                                  i do not tell, but
                                                                  try to show
                                                                  the tribe: 2012 uncensored...
                                                                  is a place to be...
                                                                  • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                    Thu, June 11, 2009 - 1:07 AM
                                                                    theres a diffrence between challenging conversation.,and bullshit--is a waste of time--which is going fast--some people are just a waste of time.,
                                                                    • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                      Thu, June 11, 2009 - 1:13 AM
                                                                      specify...
                                                                      but why bother
                                                                      that is why tribe.net is so unique
                                                                      an even opportunity to look, watch, participate
                                                                      if you do not like what you see
                                                                      big deal
                                                                      sure, some cannot nor will ever carry their weight
                                                                      i will carry none that will
                                                                      unless very young
                                                                      or very
                                                                      old
                                                                      • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                        Thu, June 11, 2009 - 1:18 AM
                                                                        you cannot help someone.,who will not help themself--i have tried.,many times and the experiance makes me think im wasting time--but i have to try.,what an idiot.,huh-/
                                                                        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                          Thu, June 11, 2009 - 1:55 AM
                                                                          thanx doc for the advice
                                                                          how many do you thing i have tried...
                                                                          tough goings
                                                                          but now what i always knew and now must employ...
                                                                          you gotta let go and let vs make them hit...
                                                                          bottom

                                                                          but the bottom is that far away for all of us...
                                                                          just a matter of...time ing
                                                                          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                            Thu, June 11, 2009 - 3:10 AM
                                                                            welly well.

                                                                            Another tribe gone to shit.


                                                                            Goodbye, asshats.
                                                                            • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                              Thu, June 11, 2009 - 3:23 AM
                                                                              your lite weight
                                                                              see you over on 2012 uncensored
                                                                              if not
                                                                              you are too afraid to carry
                                                                              your own
                                                                              weight
                                                                              but think you will hold...up
                                                                              • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                                Thu, June 11, 2009 - 5:33 AM
                                                                                goodbye daddys mistake--allready smells better--
                                                                                • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                                  Thu, June 11, 2009 - 6:41 AM
                                                                                  yeah come on over to 2012 uncensored .,then i can take the gloves off.,please do--
                                                                                  • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                                                                    Thu, June 11, 2009 - 7:16 PM
                                                                                    now ---Spirit would never bring you to this place of high vibration, Lightworker, just to plough you under like so much dirt. You are actively involved in creating an energy on this planet that will eventually create healing and peace that you have never seen before. Two generations from now, you will not recognize this place, for there will be talk of "putting things together" instead of tearing them apart. The old energy leaders will be gone and a new generation of conceptual thinkers will be in place." - Kryon

                                                                                    more and more im beginning to beleive this.,we are the messangers of change.,my time-aquarius is here and i can hear the thunderwind saying.,people of the earth tribes--arise--get up and boogie~~
                                                                                    • >>more and more im beginning to beleive this.,<<

                                                                                      Good. Now change - quit being such a worthless asshat and learn to change *yourself* before you pretend you have anything of value to say to anyone else.

                                                                                      If you aren't working for change, you're an indolent slob. "Messengers" of the ideology of sitting still and being pompous egotists while the world dies are - I assure - *not* in short supply. Stop patting yourself on the back and wake the fuck up.

                                                                                      By refusing to attend poignant criticism, you simply reveal yourself to be yet another resource-wasting gas-emitting sheep, self-congratulatory and too ugly to be allowed to speak to human beings. Go vibrate in a higher dimension - *here* there is trash to pick up and systems to be re-scaled. Failure to understand this is one of your clade's most persistent failings.

                                                                                      Darth Roger: you never sent me a link to your congregation of doomsday cultists, and you've utterly ignored every single point of merit on Via's abortive attempt to try to get even one of you to listen to the most elementary logical criticism of your absurd and fantastic beliefs. I have no desire to see more of the same, frankly it sickens me.

                                                                                      I'm glad that you are not representative of those who actually devote themselves to the limitation and elimination of suffering. *You* are a very poor example. Other than Via - whose temper, like mine, wouldn't allow him to continue wasting time with this romper room of spoiled and dimwitted children - I see very little of worth here and have no wish at *all* to see what constitutes "uncensored" display of this wretched and utterly typical bullshit.

                                                                                      I fail to recognize any endorsement of a tribe of yours, but rather will endeavor, in future, to steer far clear of any further discussions with you, or any of these other fools.

                                                                                      This mindset you're all so goofily endorsing along with the lazy inaction you're all perpetrating is a huge, extremely significant part of the problem faced by the planet Earth; I encourage you all to immediately cease breathing, or at the very least to be sterilized so that human beings need not suffer the presence of your genes in the future. In 2013 I sincerely hope you have all vanished.

                                                                                      Good work, "light"workers. You're a disgrace. The politicians of war and destruction *love* your kind of sheep. Wasteful, lazy, and stupid.

                                                                                      You can't even face *one* criticism, "light"workers. You're just shades blocking the truth. The earth has no real need for *more* elitist westerners, I assure you. Do. Not. Breed.
                                        • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                          Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:22 PM
                                          I'm gonna make this my last post here, because I realize that I am not posting about what a new age meme is, I am posting about what a Tribe.net troll does. They join a community to tell that community that they SUCK. And that is all they contribute.

                                          Now Via is gonna say what he did in the last Troll thread he had on here "Calling people a troll is the defense of the New Age". BULLSHIT!!
                                          Do the research, theres 50 tribes here dedicated to people who play this game, claiming to save these people from themselves by insulting what they do.

                                          If Loki is your defense coming here and saying "New age culture is toxic' you have already lost the Troll debate, he refers to himself on about 10 other tribes I'm on as THE #1 Tribe-troll, and as I write this, is bating people on the most populous tribe here with the premise "Burningman Culture is Toxic"!!! (fer christ sake, Loki? Norse god of Trolls?!? I dare you to say your not, Blade will CuT YoU!)

                                          So thats It, Im done. I have no idea what new age means, I have only a subjective opinion on what a lightbringer is, but I know what a hate-baiting, attention starved, Tribe.net Troll is, and Via, it is you, and your opinions are tainted and suspect.
                                          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                                            Wed, June 10, 2009 - 2:24 PM
                                            Excuse me?

                                            I have never, ever referred to myself in that way.

                                            Loki is not the god of trolls. Nor is he one. The Spear-Cult claimed he was an Ettin - were that even true - it wasn't - Ettins are not trolls.

                                            Loki is from a pre-Teutonic religion - the religion now called "The Rokkr Path" by its modern adherents (mainly staunch feminists). S/he is the Human God - the Laughing God, the God of Inventions, the God of Fire, the Spider, the Weaver, and

                                            brace for it

                                            the Criticizer.



                                            The premise of my criticism of BM culture is not at *all* that it is "toxic". Read it and try to understand that I don't participate in anything I don't feel strongly about.

                                            What *is* the deal here? I've been a member of this tribe from its inception. I was brought here by its founder.

                                            .... you threaten me with a knife?

                                            ???
                          • Re: Effects of the New Age Meme Complex

                            Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:52 AM
                            >>this is why you promote navel-gazing <<

                            This isn't a valid point or criticism; it's the same assumption as is made when your criticisms are ignored in favor of continuing to espouse unsupportable belief-doctrines. Remove the personality from the dialectic and concentrate on the available reality instead of creating an illusory one to find fault with.

                            You're right that your opponent in this debate is not responsibly discoursing with you, but wrong to impute motives and actions that haven't been demonstrated.

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